(05-06-2018, 09:48 AM)Henry of green Wrote: Robyn, Excellent post and I totally agree the exchange I posted can easily be interpreted as expressing how confused and overwhelmed Juliette was. In my post I was just making the point that it’s hard to help someone that doesn’t want to be helped, does that mean all the blame for the situation should be put on Juliette, certainly not but to put all the blame on Nick is equally ridiculous, it takes two to ruin a relationship.
I agree, neither character was totally to blame. No one expected Juliette becoming a Hexenbiest was a possible side affect or had a clue how to correct it - other than Adalind, who only made the suppressant because it benefited her at the time.
(05-06-2018, 10:12 AM)irukandji Wrote: Why would Nick have been so narrow minded to consider it a 'wrong'?
(05-06-2018, 10:12 AM)irukandji Wrote: Then in reality, Nick wasn't righting a wrong. He was trying to ease his conscience by placing a bandaid on a situation that really required his patience and understanding.
I don’t see Nick wanting to rectify Juliette becoming a Hexenbiest as narrow minded. Juliette’s words and actions before and after telling Nick expressed her devastation over becoming a Hexenbiest.
Had Nick/Juliette been a healthy relationship, Juliette would have trusted talking to Nick first, not go to Renard and Henrietta before disclosing her situation. Juliette keeping her Hexenbiest secret in S4 is the same as Nick keeping his Grimm secret in S1. Neither had valid reasons, only self-serving excuses.
The suppressant was Adalind’s idea, an offering she’d trade for protection. Nick accepted Adalind’s offer after Juliette’s aggressive and uncharacteristic behavior. Had Juliette not moved out, it’s reasonable to assume Nick’s need to ‘fix’ her would have been more about trying to get rid of the Hexenbiest that Juliette clearly didn’t want in the beginning.
The show made a point to have Juliette decide Nick should be a Grimm again, then kept Nick firmly planted in relationship mode while quickly spiraling Juliette into destructive mode. When Juliette ignored Nick’s many calls about finding a way to help her, Nick didn’t tell Hank he was done with Juliette, he said Juliette was done with him.
Juliette and his mother were Nick’s woe-is-me drama for S4. Juliette falling too far to be ‘fixed’ prepared a path to changing the relationship dynamic in S5. But taking Juliette too far wasn’t an issue to be dealt with in the next season, because G & K knew Juliette would become the new character, Eve, who wouldn’t have need to work through the S4 hoopla with Nick. The characters were so far removed from their S5 storyline that Nick didn’t even challenge Juliette’s assertion that she was now Eve or confront Meisner for taking Juliette and keeping her hidden.
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