(11-26-2017, 08:03 AM)Robyn Wrote: No, I said Adalind asked Trubel if she knew - as in was she there when they took Diana or did anyone tell her.
I guess I misunderstood your statement.
Quote:These are fictional characters experiencing fictional drama, but the idea is to be drawn into their stories and for at least 42 minutes and forget that it’s a made up scenario without real repercussions. If you don’t see Adalind having a reason to struggle over whether to reach out to Meisner, at what point does a parent stop trying to rescue his/her child? If instead of dying Bonaparte had taken off with Kelly to parts unknown, should Nick have given up and focused on Adalind and Diana because he didn’t have the sufficient resources to find Kelly?
A parent would never stop hoping and fighting to be with their child. The royals had just waged a bloody war in Portland to take Diana back with them to Vienna. A grimm lost her head. Adalind believed Diana to now be in Austria with the king/royals.
Adalind had gotten a mini tour of the castle in Vienna while she was imprisoned there. She saw how much of a fortress it was. Sean had told Adalind when he informed her of the rescue in Vienna that he was sending Meisner to get her and she had to leave before the verrat could take her to the royals otherwise her goose was cooked. Sean’s plan which (Meisner executed) did not involve breaking into the royals’ castle. Adalind was resigned to the current circumstances. However, she was still hopeful that she would somehow have both kids in the future. She was shown talking aloud to Kelly about it. For me it meant that she intended to resume in the future though she didn’t have immediate plans at the time. Where there’s hope, there will be a way. I don’t consider her less of a mother for this.
What Nick would do is not really important in analyzing Adalind’s behavior.
Quote:So yes, the elephant in the room was addressed twenty-two episodes after Kelly was born and Adalind moved in with Nick when he questioned what Adalind intended with Diana.
Lol. At least we saw something. If you sneezed then you missed that BC was addressed in S6.
Quote:Nick stopped pretending he didn’t have feelings for Adalind in S6E3.
Actually, Nick kinda let the cat out of the bag in S5 when he went around informing the scoobies that Adalind left him.
Quote: The closest they came to an actual discussion about themselves, their past, and where it led them was the table conversation in S5E7. Why any assumption that they didn’t remain in denial for the next twenty years? Their entire relationship was built on never mentioning anything that might derail their established routine in the loft unless it was forced on them - such as Diana was dropped in Adalind’s lap and she wanted to keep her.
I wouldn’t assume that because in S6 after they come out as a couple we see that they are now having conversations off screen as they are progressing their relationship. However, we were no longer privy to how they were building the relationship. We just saw that they were based on their conversations. The way they were going, I don’t think they would have been able to not discuss it.
Quote:I think you’ve hit the nail on the head with “G&K's style for Grimm”. They don’t do interpersonal, they do action that’s sometimes jumpstarted by personal events/motivation. And once the personal motivation has served it’s purpose, G & K set it aside and move on to the next action that focuses on the central character fighting the next monster/evil of the week. All is good if content with that narrow focus. But not so good if looking for fleshed out characters who have meaning and substance beyond a specific storyline, episode, scene.
Exactly. If G& K gave a few seconds to address something outside the WOtW then it was important and that was as much time that could or would be allocated. They intended those few moments to address or resolve the issue.
Adalind won’t be shown doing more or beyond what she had been shown to do. We saw that she did not confront Meisner about what Renard told her. Instead she chose to have Nick see if he could verify Sean’s information. Meaning she had doubts about the veracity of Sean’s story. She knew Sean was trying to use the information to get her to do something. She wasn't sure what but knew enough about him not to trust him. She didn’t rush off like the last time to act on information from him. She had believed Sean had something up his sleeve and said as much later to Nick. The few seconds she spoke to Nick about Sean using Diana to get to her revealed her thoughts to us. There was only so many times she could talk aloud to Kelly.
That she did not reach out to Meisner would mean the character truly didn't see Meisner as someone who would help her.
(11-26-2017, 10:47 AM)Hell Rell Wrote:(11-26-2017, 03:44 AM)Devegs Wrote:(11-25-2017, 06:11 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: Adalind wouldn't ask Meisner for Diana but ask for his help in getting her back since he located and protected them once before.
Yes he did help them before but he had been paid to do so. So it is still reasonable that the character didn't reach out to him later because she would imagine that she also would have to pay for his services. Her asking him to use his own money to go back to Austria and go against the royals for her would have been really forward methinks.
The fome conversation couldn't happen since Meisner stressed that Trubel's life was in danger and he needed to get to her right away. He left right to go save Trubel at the hospital. Also, if she brought up Diana, she would have had to bring him up to speed with what happened to her and Diana since he last saw them. She would imagine that he would have asked how the royals got Diana. Then she would have to explain how after all had been done to get her out that she went back to Austria to the royals based on misinformation from Sean, got pregnant along the way and now the royals had Diana.
True she could have reached out to Meisner to ask him if he knew anything about Diana but she didn't. Last time Sean told her about Diana's whereabouts she ran with the information, reached out to the royals and it got herself in a mess and the royals never even had Diana.
We saw that the character was trying to figure if Sean was telling the truth this time by having Nick look into it.
You're using your knowledge of Meisner to explain Adalind not asking him if there was anything he could do about Diana. I highly doubt that she just saw Meisner as a regular mercenary or on Renard's payroll in the past. I think she associated him with fond memories of Diana being born and them escaping the country. Adalind trusted Meisner far more than she would some usual gun-for-hire and I don't see why she wouldn't believe that he may help find Diana if there was anything he could do.
Nothing I stated about the character's knowledge went beyond the scope of what she knew.
Since Adalind did not reach out to Meisner for help it would appear that though she has stated that she trusted Meisner, she didn't trust him that much.