01-02-2019, 03:15 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-02-2019, 05:00 AM by Henry of green.)
(01-02-2019, 02:52 AM)syscrash Wrote: Henry you place some much emphases on the relationship making a difference. Even in your reasoning you say Eve would never forgive Juliette. Which is like I said using human reasoning you have a valid point. But like Adalind she is no longer human. As for loyalty you over loook things. situations change. Yes Kelly did work to save Juliette from the comma. But more recently she brought Adalind back into their lives. I never said all wesen. are worse then humans. I said all wesen are not like humans. The point is all wesen do not view death like humans. We have seen even bud view death as part of life and something to be expected. All wesen live by the rules of nature. Either you are a predator or you are prey. Humans try not to think that way. We try to see each other as equal and to have certain rights. There where times and still areas where survival of the fittest still exist. But among those considering themselves civilized we don't. That is where I disagree with your observation. The show spent six season showing the difference between wesen and humans. I also disagree that Juliette owed anything to Nick or Kelly. Juliette was turned into a hexenbiest. That alone is a monumental consequence. Even worst then being put in the comma. At least the comma and memory lost, she was able to cure that. But being turned into a hexenbiest, even the characters thought her being a hexenbiest was bad. Yet all the comments imply Juliette over reacted. There was no need for her to do what she did. But considering the magnitude of what happened to her, her retaliation could be seen as understated. the writers even had Juliette say they are all to blame. even more to establish Juliette state of mind, she told Sean she was normal before all the wesen mess. The argument that she volunteered to help Nick. that she knew she was taking a chance. Like she told Sean you call this a side effect.
so you take a really pissed off person, that is now wesen and starting to think like a wesen. As Juliette stated when she told them she was losing herself. What would you expect her to do. They spend episodes showing Juliettes transformation into wesen. But you expect it to end with her becoming a sympathetic individual. Caring about others. When not one character came to her side. Even Sean though he helped her. still saw her as a problem. Even when Rosalee talked to her in jail. Juliette was trying to tell her she was beginning to accept what she is, yet Rosalee her friend was telling her she was wrong.
The expectation that Juliette would be concerned about Kelly or anyone else, does not fit with the build up. Even as Eve she has always admitted that Juliette was angry and could have killed all of them. Even to the end. She was their to protect them because as Eve she felt that was her purpose to protect. She never became their friends. That bound was broken in season 4. Also remember while in Jail Julette told Nick I didn't have to let them arrest me. She did it to see what he would do. His response he was not going to let her out. Add to that the Adalind incident in the police station. With that kind of anger build up do you really expect the character to care about Nick or his mother.
Quote:Please don’t claim you are using canon hardly anything you’ve stated matches what took place on screen it’s just you making up any old excuse for Juliette.every action and event I sight happened in the show. And because they happened that makes them establish the cannon of the show. Unlike your reasoning of because it was Nick mom and they have seven years together. Juliette should not have put Kelly in harms way. There is nothing in the show that you can sight of wesen having that type of view. That is the view of someone applying social expectations as fact. That is like you Elizabeth has more experience so she could use magic in public. No where is experience shown the dictate the limit of what a hexenbiest can do. Unlike my explanation where i use the times when Jujliette and Eve have killed without even being near someone. Being shown using magic without detection. Being shown they have the ability and the will. A far cry from using an idealistic explanation and clam it is cannon in the show.
I didn’t say Eve couldn’t forgive Juliette, that was Eve herself while talking to Nick in season 6, please stop ingnoring the show and script in favour of your made up nonsense. Are you calling Eve a lair when she said she couldn’t forgive Juliette. Eve clearly blames Juliette your the only one who keeps making excuses for her.
Also more made up bull crap please show me on the show where it was ever outright stated that all Wesen live by the rules of nature or that all Wesen see death differently than humans please stop making stuff up , yes Wesen have set rules but they are mostly about hiding their true identity from humans for their own safety and the safety of their community. Also up until about the past 200 years and still in 3rd world countries today the majority of humans seen death very differently than they do today they regularly took young children to watch brutal executions and even celebrated these brutal exacusions, murder was rampant and an everyday part of life for most people and the majority of people toiled beneath the heal of aristocracy.
Monroe and Rosalee often showed far more emotions and horror over death than Nick, Hexenbiest Adalind was shown crying and greving over her mother’s coffin and she was shown to be sad over Sebastian’s death a man she barely knew in fact it was human Meisner who was much more willing to leave sasbsstian than Adalind, yet it was human Adalind who cared little for life setting up Frau Pech then chopping up her body just to get her powers back showing zero remorse or putting innocent Juliette in a comma, yet Hexenbiest Adalind helped an injured Eve out of the tunnels and took care of her despite the fact she tried to Murder her and her unborn child more than once. It was Hexenbiest Adalind who apologized for her previous actions even apologizing to Eve about what she’d done to her.
Your once again over simplifying things to suit your agenda, yes many Wesen were shown to live by an archaic predator prey system at times but just as many didn’t and had adapted to the modern world just the same way human cultures and sections of societies have had to adapted modern times.
The only things Adalind said about Hexenbiests were they were manipulative and crave power and being one makes you think differently she never once mentioned neither did anyone else that they all see death differently than humans that’s just you speculating.
Also you have failed to point to one single scene during season 4 that indicates Juliette was capable of killing without anyone notching especially Adalind herself who is also a Hexenbiests.
Yes Juliette becoming a Hexenbiests was unfair to her and it certainly had a massive influence on her behavior however it doesn’t totally excuse her behavior the way your claiming it does.