04-30-2018, 12:29 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-30-2018, 02:22 PM by Henry of green.)
(04-30-2018, 10:46 AM)Zansy Wrote:(04-29-2018, 08:19 PM)irukandji Wrote:Because as a rule of thumb most people react better if you do not threaten them? Taking her arm is establishing a physical connection between them. That isn't a threat. Drawing a gun would be, as would asking other cops to rush in on the scene to escalate the situation. He is trying not to treat her as a criminal because that's his best hope not to have her react like a criminal.(04-29-2018, 11:12 AM)Zansy Wrote: And how would he know that that wouldn't instead trigger her to actually do something rash?
How did Nick know not to draw his gun in this case? How did Nick know that standing in Juliette's way would stop her from getting to Adalind? How did Nick know that he could grab Juliette's arm without her knocking him into the next year? How'd he know he wouldn't need Wu's assistance?
(04-29-2018, 08:19 PM)irukandji Wrote:Where? You cannot suggest that Nick is risking Adalind's and baby's safety and not suggest a safer place he could've send her to. Nick doesn't ask Adalind to go elsewhere. And Adalind doesn't try to run anywhere either. So clearly they both assume that where she is is her best bet to get through this situation somehow. If either of them could think of a safer place she could reach I rather doubt Nick would've taken the gamble to keep her where she is, even if it is, as you claim, not a dangerous situation.(04-29-2018, 11:12 AM)Zansy Wrote: If he had told Adalind to run... where to?
Wherever he felt she would be safe.
(04-29-2018, 08:19 PM)irukandji Wrote:How about a few canon quotes?(04-29-2018, 11:12 AM)Zansy Wrote: And what would that be? She isn't listening when he tells her that he's not taking sides. And she's angry at the time, so reasoning with her seems unlikely, no matter what it is he wants her to hear.
What 'seems to be unlikely' is only in the eyes of the beholder. Nick's a cop with years of experience dealing with unreasonable people.
I'm curious. I take it you believe Nick should have simply shrugged his shoulders, given up, and excused himself out of the whole situation by stating he couldn't get through to her?
Nick: I’m not giving up. We’re gonna get through this.
Juliette: You can’t change it.
Nick: I’m not gonna let it destroy what we have.
Juliette: I see the way you are looking at me. It’s not the same. It’ll never be the same.
Nick: You learned to understand me, now I have to learn how to understand you.
Juliette: Is that forever?
Nick: I’m not going anywhere.
Juliette (woges): Is this what you want to spend the rest of your life with? Is it?
Nick: Why are you doing this?
Juliette: If I’m the girl of your dreams, the least you can do is kiss me. Kiss me. You can’t even look at me. This is what’s forever.
(4.14)
Juliette: I need to get some of my stuff.
Nick: What? So you’re just moving out?
Juliette: I was hoping you wouldn’t be home.
Nick: Look, can we talk about this?
Juliette: There’s really nothing you or anybody else can say or do. This is who I am.
Nick: Juliette, this is my fault. And if there was anything I could do to change it, I would.
Juliette: I know that.
Nick: I haven’t given up yet.
Juliette: Why not?
Nick: Because I love you.
(4.16)
Nick: What do you want from me?
Adalind: I need you to protect me from Juliette. ‘Cause nobody else will.
Nick: Why the hell would I do that?
Adalind: I’m not expecting you to do this for me. I was hoping that you would do it for your child. But, if not for that, maybe you’ll do it for Juliette.
Nick: For Juliette? Are you kidding me?
Adalind: I know a way to help her.
Nick: I don’t believe anything you’re saying.
Adalind: Do you think I would risk coming here if I didn’t have anything? Look, I’m not making any promises, and you have to understand that there is no way to cure her completely.
Nick: Well then what is the point of this?
Adalind: Because there is a way to suppress the Hexenbiest in her.
(4.19)
So Nick’s telling Juliette that he would be willing to try and understand who she is as a Hexenbiest and she turns him down. So he says he won’t give up on trying to find a cure. And when he finds the next best thing, he takes that opportunity. - Tell me how he is choosing Adalind over Juliette? Or what he could’ve said other than “hey I found something you could still try”? He’s tried talking to Juliette about this. You can’t just ignore his earlier attempts to reason with her by this point. But she tells him there’s nothing he can do or say. And he still doesn’t give up. Juliette’s the one who’s had sex with Sean and already started considering to become Kenneth’s ally. So why do you accuse Nick of not trying hard enough to talk to her? - By this point Juliette should be the one doing the talking. Not the accusing. Nick is telling her that he doesn't want her to kill an innocent baby and she's mad at him for "choosing Adalind". Juliette's slept with Sean. (We remember 4.17?) Completely out of her free will, no spells that time. Not that Sleeping Beauty spell that made them fall for each other big time. And not Sean looking like Nick either. But she's the one who's angry at Nick because he won't step aside to let her "rip the little bitch's throat out".
(04-29-2018, 08:19 PM)irukandji Wrote:Please explain to me why he would make the choice to make her a Scooby? I honestly don't understand where you are getting that impression from canon. In my mind he's enlisted Adalind's help to try find a way to make things better for Juliette. And she randomly manages to point them in the right direction on how to help Sean. I don't see that idea go beyond that at that point. And I do not understand where you get that idea.(04-29-2018, 11:12 AM)Zansy Wrote: But if he isn't even sure about the thing with Adalind by early season five, how can he have made the choice to allow her to become part of the Scoobies back at the Precinct?
What thing about Adalind? Certainly if Nick had misgivings about allowing her to become a Scooby, he wouldn't have waited until she was in labor, right?
The only thing that would possibly make sense for me in that direction would be if somehow feeling Kelly kick had made him want to be a dad and that could possibly motivate him to bring her into the fold for any reason other than trying to get her to help Juliette. But if he did it for that reason, he'd be sure about wanting to be Kelly's dad by 5.01.
Excellent, post well thought out and I wholeheartedly a agree with everything you stated, it’s pretty clear to me Nick handled the situation in the precinct the best he possibly could given the extreme circumstances surrounding the precinct scene. I also agree it is a bit hypocritical calling out Nick merely for protecting a pregnant Adalind, while Juliette slept with Renard a man who has caused them both as much if not more pain than Adalind .