03-02-2018, 05:10 AM
(03-02-2018, 04:01 AM)Henry of green Wrote:(03-01-2018, 09:07 PM)dicappatore Wrote:(03-01-2018, 02:49 PM)Hell Rell Wrote:(03-01-2018, 02:10 PM)Hexenadler Wrote:(03-01-2018, 07:26 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: It also doesn't help that I've never been a fan of "love conquers all" storylines. It just makes the characters look absurd unless the show makes a point of showing how absurd they are. There were too many obstacles, danger, and lies for their relationship to last.
I think that has more to do with your personal cynicism than the concept itself.
I guess it's my personal cynicism that saw just how much danger Nick and Juliette needed to break up. Unlike Monroe and Rosalee, they weren't even honest with each other. They caused each other a lot more pain because they couldn't even tell each other the truth until too much shit had hit the fan. Juliette was literally on the brink of death before Nick mentioned being a Grimm and he still didn't tell her the truth. It was Rosalee who took the lead on enlightening her.
Juliette told Renard she was a Hexenbiest before she told Nick. It was only after the second violent home invasion in two weeks that she told him the truth.
As for my general outlook, I don't think it's cynical to believe that love isn't enough. There are other factors that come into play. My key words were obstacles, danger, and, lies. All of those things combined are too much to overcome despite the love.
In particular, shows like this constantly put others in danger in order to preserve the relationship. A show like OUAT featuring the Emma/Hook relationship shows just how absurd it really is.
As I recall, I always blamed both Nick and Juliette for their break-up. Like you said, he kept secrets from her, in the beginning and she did the same to him, in the end. The whole coma thing did not help either. We saw a side of Juliette that wasn't as loving and understanding as she was made to believe.
It entertaining about the chemistry discussion that is constantly rehashed on so many threads. This debate of who had better chemistry. Was it Nick/Juliette or Nick/Adalind.
To me, it is so obvious. Juliette refused his proposal. Why? She had issues of mistrust with Nick. Well that is proof of lack of chemistry. She kept secret from him about her Hex. Again, she mistrusted him about her safety, as a Hex, after living with the guy for almost 4 years. More proof of the lack of chemistry. She walks out on him, shags two of his nemesis and betrays Nick's mother that loved her. Not much chemistry in that beaker heating up on the bunsen burner, is there.
Noe take Nick/Adalind. They have a kid together under uncanny circumstances. They end up living together on the screen for just as long as Nick/Juliette did, if not more. Once you deduct the time Juliette spent un-involved with Nick, as a result of the coma awakening effects with much less mistrust of each other. Their relationship survived the BC insurgent and "The Z Guy" incursion. Add on, 20 years later they are still together as mom and dad. To me, that's chemistry.
Dicappatore, I couldn’t agree more in my opinion it’s pretty obvious Nick and Adalind had way better chemistry than him and Juliette and the writers certainly seemed to think so judging by who they had Nick end up with in the end.
Infact the writers knew who was the most popular of the two couples judging by thier reaction to Adalind wining in the yahoo poll they conducted as to who Nick should end up with, as they admit below the thougth Adalind would win even before getting the poll results but were surprised by how wide a margin she won by.
DAVID GREENWALT AND JIM KOUF RESPOND: Greenwalt knew this question would mobilize Grimmaniacs and both guessed that Adalind would win the popularity contest, but they didn’t think it would be by such a landslide. “
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/grim...33469.html
As usual Henry, amazing how some are unable to deal with the reality of what they saw on the screen. Thanks for that article. Very informative and it also confirmed one of my claims, on another post, that Wu character was created just for Wu when he did not get the part he audition for.
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