(06-27-2017, 11:08 PM)dicappatore Wrote:Been reading these posts with some interest the back a forth. Now myself I like reading the scripts for a reminder of what was said, but shouldn't we add that the script doesn't show the actors voice of facial expressions to add to the text.(06-27-2017, 09:38 PM)silver Wrote: Btw, I think Juliette/Eve went back to Nick's (instead of boarding the helicopter) because she wanted him to put her out of her misery - she kept saying do it, Nick...she didn't resist - hence, her snarky remark to him - "You couldn't put me out of your misery."
If by this point, nobody seems to even consider that she went clinically insane, then I just don't know what to say.
silver, I think I have found some common grounds with you and Juliette. Remember, she wasn’t expecting Nick to survive Ken’s attack. Once she hears Rspoli on the speaker phone that they did not get him, that’s when she decides to go back. Nick is still alive, she changes her mind and doesn’t get on.
I also agree, she had a death wish. There was always part of her in conflict within herself and she did give Nick a chance to take her out. But the smuck couldn't do it. Then that evil side of her comes out and she turns on him. I guess where we differ is, if she was clinically insane. It’s not an excuse. Maybe a good reason. She is still evil and should have stayed dead.
Now as for the night Nick found out about Juliette that may be one of the key scene in the series, because it set the stage of Juliette going to the darkside. The writers needed a starting point. We can look at it as a story and try to see it as a story of Nick and Juliette which is again IMO how we should do it.
Now to ask the hard questions of that scene. Can we go to an Adalind and Nick scene and see the same thing. Yes in season 6 when Adalind gets her powers back and her and Nick talk about what it means. Adalind says she also was afraid Nick would send her a way or kill her, Nick says the same could be said of her. Now did Nick learn from how he handled Juliette maybe or maybe not it was up to us to add these points.
Nick walking out that night and sleeping on the couch was again the setup to give Juliette the right to go to dark side. In real life many men might have done the same thing. If you read the book Men are from Mars Women are from Venus (should point out I haven't just parts) Men need time to think what would Nick staying in the house have help? What he just walk over to the couch and set down. He needed time to think and here I include just myself I would have when for a walk.
Now the sleeping on the couch Juliette seen that as a rejection, but Nick again just the story we chose to see, Juliette had told Nick she was afraid NIck would kill her so he could have seen it a giving her space. The one question so far not in this debate is if Juliette loved Nick and knew Nick loved her why the fear? Like the hexn side was afraid not the Juliette side? Just guessing. Some may have the idea that Juliette doubted her love for Nick and would think he didn't love her as much as he said.
Adding a little Adalind in here as a point of question. We over the seasons learned about Adalind life, how her mother treated her, her father leaving, Sean using her, Victor using her, than Kenneth using her. Juliette we have almost no background, we (could be wrong) she live with I think a Grandmother in Spain, had some type of Christmas story, and fireworks, no much more. Adalind see in Nick a different person not what she expects he doesn't use her instead helps. Now we can add the son helps here also.
Lots of question about that scene and the why of it.