(11-17-2015, 05:32 PM)irukandji Wrote:(11-17-2015, 12:38 PM)speakeasy Wrote: Pretty darn unassailable logic there, irukandji. My problem is I loved Juliette. I was very saddened to see her degenerate into a monster. I could have lived with her being a Hexenbiest, but being reduced to a Hexenbiest who lost all humaneness was a loss I'm still mourning. Because of that, I tend to not hold her responsible for her terrible transgressions. But when I'm in a more objective mood, I have to admit she willfully turned her back on her better angels. I don't struggle too much with the morality of the things she did in an acutely altered state, but I know it's because it's painful to dwell on. Imo, she became a total sacrifice to the dark arts, her love for Nick, and the well-meaning actions of his friends.
Thank you, speakeasy. I actually did not like Juliette at first. I didn't want her dead, and now that I look back, I think probably my dislike was due to the fact that her character was simply neglected. I never knew she was a vet until my husband told me. After hearing that, I wondered why we never got to see her at work, dealing with the problems vets deal with. I thought that would have made a nice human touch.
The hexenbiest transformation was a great storyline with a lot of potential and I really liked Juliette's character after that. It seems to me her killing was just a ploy to get Adalind, the baby, and Nick together.
Juliette first made a comment to Nick about the hexenbiest taking more and more control over her, so that seems to support your statement that she wasn't responsible for her terrible transgressions.
Adalind also made a similar statement about the unpredictability of her own hexenbiest spirit in the second episode.
But Nick himself told his cronies to kill her. If he's ordering her death then he believes she's responsible for her actions. No reason to go after Renard then.
Interestingly enough, my own husband is of the same opinion that Renard deserves a punch in the face for sleeping with Juliette. It must be a man thing. In my opinion, Juliette made her choice and should take responsibility for it.
We're all responsible for our choices and Juliette made some destructive choices while a Hexenbiest. I just was unhappy that her storyline was written the way it was and that she is gone. It's kinda like starting a well-loved movie over when it gets to the sad part - I just keep my thoughts about Juliette in a contained area where there is no unhappy ending. Easier that way.
My husband won't watch broadcast t.v. because he can't tolerate commercials, so he can't talk with me about Grimm, but if he did I just know he would feel the exact way your husband does - men, you can't live with 'em and you can't shoot 'em.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".