10-24-2015, 04:12 PM
(10-24-2015, 09:30 AM)irukandji Wrote:(10-24-2015, 08:36 AM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: Considering the Theological theory, as far as I know Jewish people has a concept of heart different from the concept we have now a days. For us heart means almost the same as feelings, love, hate... Those things. For Jewish heart means also thought, intentions... Heart is the internal part of our being... As a way to speak.
I didn't even want to bring up the theological beatitude. That was the only thing I could think of last night while I was typing. It was late, what can I say?
Do you watch the show, Vikings, Adriano? If so, you already know that the show was a just a springtime replacement, only supposed to last for 10 or 12 episodes. This upcoming February, it will begin its 4th year. I love the show and cannot wait until it returns. This is actually one show that was not recommended to me, but that I watched on my own.
I never knew much about the Vikings. I've seen the movie with Ernest Borgnine, who plays Ragnar. Ragnar is also the main character in the series, but it takes a real life approach to the Vikings. They are marauders, but they also want to seek and settle into new lands to farm. They believe totally in Odin, and look unfavorably on Ragnar when he brings a Christian monk, Athelstan, into their village as a slave. That, by the way, was among the coolest storylines I have ever seen. The monk does not convert Ragnar, but instead the two of them become great friends and have this complex relationship where their lives intertwine.
One of the things I really wanted to bring up here was the concept of pureness of heart in Vikings. It is not the same principle as the Christian beatitude, but it's just as striking. Vikings kills off as many main characters as Game of Thrones. But in Vikings, it's a hazard of the life they lead. They also have their own spiritual beliefs in Odin and Valhalla.
I wanted to bring up an example of what I see as pureness of heart in Vikings. The women in Vikings have always impressed me because they are devoted and fierce mothers. Their goodness really comes up when their children are in danger.
One of the main characters, Siggy, has lost everything. She was rich and the wife of a lord. Ragnar killed him in a fight for the lordship. She had a daughter who died. She had relationships with both the king and Ragnar's brother, but neither panned out. However, she was not banned from the village, but remained in Ragnar's house and helped raise his family. His two young boys venture out onto the ice one day, and fall into the water. Siggy goes after them, and saves both of them. What's cool about the scene is that after she brings the boys back up, she sees her deceased daughter, which of course signifies her death and journey to Valhalla.
I think mothers often signify pureness of heart more than anyone else.
They are unspoken heroes who do heroic things with no thought for recognition or honor. They do those things because they're the right things to do.
(10-24-2015, 08:36 AM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: Considering those two definitions, original Sean intention in saving Juliette was jot pure since he was doing that for her... He was not doing that for Nick either. Sean was saving Juliette to keep Nick in Portland because of same hided and obscure intention.
Maybe the pure of heart potion was there to make Sean really cares about Juliette... Maybe the effects never really ended... That is a good debate.
*urgh* this is an issue I have with Grimm. These story strings that lead no where. It's three years into the future and we know no more than we did three years ago.
Since it's morning and I'm in a different frame of thought, I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment. What if Sean was actually trying to obtain the key for a good reason and not for his own personal benefit? Would saving Juliette be proof of pureness of heart?
(10-24-2015, 08:36 AM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: Another point I would like to talk about is: how can someone became pure of heart chemically?
Biologically speaking, the heart has the only function of send blood to our body. Our brain is the one responsible to process our feelings, thoughts and intentions... Our brain would be the heart Jewish talk about.
There are a lot of Medicine drugs that act in our brain... For depression for exemple... Many ilegal drugs can also create illusions and things like that since they act in the brain. The potion gave to Sean can simply had acted in Sean brain... Changing his thoughts and this way his intentions...
Because Sean thought he was pure of heart, was he indeed pure of heart?
Irukandji... I didn't want to talk theologically either. Sorry for the misunderstanding... What I wanted was to focus the Jewish meaning for heart because this meaning can be connected to the brain... Where our thoughts really happen in the biological way.
I don't know about Vikings... And I haven't see the series you told about. I will research about it.
AboutAbout Sean, I don't think the potion was to make him believe he is pure. I think the potion was made to really make Sean change his thinking... His neurons connections making his intentions about saving Juliette pure... With no hidden intention. I don't think the writers planned this far... But I think this is a theory that can be subject of the debate here. This would explain how the potion worked.
Jsgrimm commented about everyone having a dark side. Maybe this dark side bring a felling of being guilt. Maybe the pain caused by the potion was a way of eliminating this guilt feeling for a while...
I don't know why the writers put in the show that the PRINTS should be PURE OF HEART. But certainly the PURE OF HEART thing is a deep concept that we must think about considering theology, philosophy, culture and some other elements.