(03-24-2015, 06:38 AM)speakeasy Wrote:(03-23-2015, 09:11 PM)Samsarilian Wrote: Now we are into the nature vs. nurture debate. Is it possible that the Hexanbiests we have seen are evil only because of a cultural bias they are raised by. If so why would Juliette have a 'dark nature' just because she becomes a Hexan? I think this is something the writers may have over looked.......Also though they have not shown a lot of Elizabeth I am not sure she is evil either. Evil is rarely self sacrificing and she saved Sean in a way that risked herself.
I'll play the contrarian for now and submit that the traits of the Hexenbiest wesen are such that they often use manipulation, bullying, and revenge as ways of getting along in the world. They are feared by most other wesen (even Monroe it seems). Rosalee has stated that humans don't normally form romantic attachments to Hexenbiests, presumably because of their cold and often treacherous natures. They seem to have a reputation for untruthfulness. Imo, this translates into a being who is driven by self-interest, a way of operating that generally precludes the consideration of others in its effects.
So, how does an individual whose interior makeup contains these qualities participate in a relationship that demands the consideration of both to work? By drawing on one's human side, not allowing the wesen self to dominate, I guess. Sure, it's possible. But it would be enormously difficult for the Hexenbiest to go against its true essence on a routine basis. That was my original objection to Juliette's conversion. I now accept the change and rely on her better angels to direct her actions.
I'm completely puzzled by Diana as Hexenbiest and the chosen one.
I do think there is a natural vs nuture (@Samsarilian) thing going on here, but I don't think what @speakeasy said is completely at odds to that:
1. It is natural for any living organism who may be more powerful than those around it to want to try to dominate or manipulate. Adalind and her mother are prime examples of that. Adalind learned many behaviors from her mother, including intimidation of other Wesen and that she was on her own when she lost her powers. I figured if Kelly hadn't killed Catherine, eventually Adalind would have for her complete rejection;
2. A well-nurtured environment could ensure number 1 is put into context and the uses for this power be focused for the good; human nature--more than another other being--will ensure it won't always be for good and Wesen are still human beings but with a beast spirit; and
3. A being can have a good nature and be made darker or more self-absorbed due to heartbreak, illness, fear, anger, other personal experiences, etc. Many of the old grudges (Blutbad/Bauerschwein, Hatfields/McCoys, et al) were created because someone did something to another and the negative feelings and cycle were perpetuated.
In conclusion, Juliette may be someone with a naturally good nature, who was originally nurtured in a good environment. However, her authentic power has shifted and she's now being nurtured (sort of a new birth) by another Hexenbiest, about whose background we know nothing other than she's manipulative and not loyal. Further, Juliette has opened herself to depending on Sean Renard who is still an unknown and, if everyone would just remember, tried to kill Nick and Aunt Marie until he figured he could "use" Nick. Juliette's character is a total unknown at this point. I wouldn't feel this way if she had turned to Rosalee for help at the beginning and not Sean/Henrietta, but they are "in the door" now, and Juliette is already showing a manipulative side as she did when putting Nick on the spot with her "kiss me" routine. I mean, I wouldn't kiss my bf if he had a mouth full of crushed oreo cookies...why would I kiss a Hexenbiest in full woge? That was a no-win for Nick, and Juliette had to know this.
As to Diana, she's not just a Hexenbiest/Zauberbiest/Royal combo...she is a Hexenbiest/Zauberbiest/Royal/Grimm Blood/Pure of Heart spell combo who will hopefully be raised in an environment where her character and powers are given focus for the good. I think this is what the dual heart beats were all about--the potential for good vs evil. I guess I'm in the minority in that I don't look at her as any sort of savior. Catherine and Kelly described her as potentially special and that she needed a focused upbringing. It could be as simple as their not wanting a VERY powerful being to have those negative experiences, and they are just doing damage control.
I'm not sure there will be any interaction with this child on this show other than as a "pawn," and I would be surprised to even see her as a recurring character unless Grimm lives on for many more seasons. While the overall timeline is a bit fluid, the basic timeline IS moving at approximately one season per one year sort of movement if one looks at the Grimm writers' clues with Christmas episodes and general references to weddings, and length of time in relationships, etc.
"Apparently there is nothing that cannot happen today." ~Mark Twain