(10-28-2017, 08:41 AM)irukandji Wrote:All shows deviate from viewers’ real life expectations in order to move their storylines along. As FitC has pointed out Renard’s wide scope of authority in the precinct not representing the proper chain of command, the same was done with the HW setup. Meisner was already an established character connected to Adalind, Renard, and Diana. Plus, the actor and the character had developed a fan following and was personally liked by the show’s creators. Considering that the show presented BC as a global threat and HW as jointly organized and funded by multiple governments, it’s not so farfetched that G & K would use the recurring character & actor with an established fan base rather than create a character who would die before a substantial amount of viewers would care about his horrible demise.(10-28-2017, 05:52 AM)Robyn Wrote: Meisner wasn’t selected to command HW operations in Portland as much as he inherited the position after Chavez’s death. One of the few constants in the uprising arc was that HW lacked qualified soldiers, so Meisner’s experience as a mercenary and with the Resistance fighting against the Royals probably made him acceptably qualified based on HW’s limited selection pool.Robyn, HW wouldn't have even known about Meisner and Meisner wouldn't know about them. Nick couldn't even find out anything about them and they came to his house. Meisner appeared to me to enjoy the role of henchman. He's relatively unknown and so could get into places at Renard's (or anyone else's orders for that matter). I get that there was a big moonhole as far as lack of story behind Meisner being the leader of an HW satellite operation in Portland. But in the context of the series, it really makes no sense. He's a foreigner, he's an unknown, he never made it plain he wanted to lead anyone anywhere, and he's a henchman.
The creative team’s decision to use the Meisner character didn’t bother me, which probably had more to do with being a part of his fan base than anything else. My problem was that the character was plopped down in the middle of a government black ops vs. Wesen coop with nothing more than a one line explanation of, “this is more important”, then wasn’t given anything to do that was even remotely significant to the storyline. But that links back to my complaint about overall sloppy writing and characterization. So really, if the actor managed to continue his salary by portraying a poorly written character in a poorly written season arc, kudos to Mr. Puckler.
(10-28-2017, 09:27 AM)dicappatore Wrote:You have a personal opinion of a character based on your personal interpretation and judgment just like anyone else commenting on the characters and story content. I didn’t suggest that your personal opinion was incorrect. I merely stated that the show did not present Nick and his friends as considering Juliette a slut before or after she became a Hexenbiest. And just as you choose to ignore the characters’ opinions when they contradict yours, so do all of us to varying degrees.(10-28-2017, 05:52 AM)Robyn Wrote:My dear Robyn. Whether or not the writers wrote Juliette or Eve as a slutty Hexenbiest is inconsequential. Given some of the outrageous claims of some contributors. Scenes that did not occur or scenes completely denied. I reserve the right to label Juliette or Eve, whatever I choose to call her, based on my moral compass, judging her behavior.Quote:… Is it possible, that a show named “Grimm” would prioritize a Grimm over a dime-a-dozen slutty Hexenbiest…Yes, Nick, the Grimm was the center of the show. However, the creative team didn’t write their central character or his friends as considering Juliette or Eve a slutty Hexenbiest.
Not just what she did at the end of season 4, but a collection of facts thought-out all the seasons, which the writers gave us of her past promiscuous activities, not by me but by deeds painted by the writers. You are welcomed to disagree, but I can show proof to back up my judgement.
There’s very little objective critiquing about the writing and characterization on the forum. The discussions stem from contradicting personal interpretations and judgments, and while some may develop into heated debates, name calling and crude references diminish rather than enhance the discussions.
Quote:Silver really a deep kiss of gradatitde it was a kiss someone's grandma would give them when saying goodbye.I’m probably somewhere in the middle of deep and grandma. I was pleased that the writers kept Adalind and the Adalind/Meisner ‘relationship’ grounded in reality rather than showcasing Adalind's preconceived characterization.
Adalind’s interaction with Meisner was probably the first nonsexual intimacy she’d ever experienced. And while her kiss to his cheek might have appeared chaste, for me, it spoke volumes to both characters’ insight into their brief time together that was equally harrowing and trusting.
Quote:I'm not saying she didn't find him attractive off course she did ,him and nick are probably the two best looking dudes in the grimm universe. I mean was there a scene of her daydreaming about him I missed.He thought about her her in his daydream about their time together did she ever do the same certiantly not on the show I watched.I agree with you, Henry, that Adalind was never shown having any feelings about Meisner other than possibly gratitude for helping her in the past. But then, the show didn’t explore any of the characters feelings, but rather just had them behaving one way or another depending on the episode.
I don’t know about the other seasons, but I watched enough of S5 & S6 to understand that G & K write a very direct and uncompromised path to their stories’ conclusion, ignoring gaping holes in character evolution even when they cry out for examination. So while I agree with you that the show presented Adalind as only attracted to and only in love with Nick, the gaping hole left from lack of examining the how, when, and where left me indifferent and unimpressed with their contrived S6 committed relationship.
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