In another thread Irukandji made a comment that I thought deserved its own thread, so:
Okay, accepting what you said as gospel still yields the following query presented as as statement(by the way, this is not a dispute with the ever awesome irukandji's comments (for one I fear her, she can kick my ass), it is more just a convenient entry point into something that has been bothering me for some time about Grimm and the way they portray women):
Juliette was supposedly a middle 30s veterinarian, so she is a doctor. As part of her profession she has to make life and death decisions based on partial information. In other words she has to be intuitive and based on deductive reasoning, supported by science as part of her actual training of her profession able to draw a decisive conclusion. She is, ergo, fully capable of thinking on her own, determining what information is relevant, evaluating that information and drawing a conclusion. So what happened to that woman? Answer, she was devolved by schlock writing to a quivering little girl who responds to the auspice of vested authority with sheer obedience. Moreover, even though you can make the case Kenneth was simply prodding Nick, a simple roll in the hay, i.e getting her needs met, was enough to turn her against him. IN other words: we all know what she needs.
I am the guy who's eye's follow your rear around as you walk, who openly stares at your headlights, and who's smile openly conveys what I am thinking; I can and will respect your intellect, abilities and skills, bu tit is your femaleness that I am drawn to: I am a typical male pig. But even at that this sort of portrayal ticks even me off. How you women are not incensed is beyond me. So I guess we are to assume Kenneth;s schlong is so huge it somehow penetrated Juliette's brain and gave her a lobotomy? I mean where is the woman who went to medical school? Oh I get it, the big strong man told her to go bake cookies so she went ahead and baked both chocolate chip and oatmeal raisin just to be on the safe side?
I can accept what they did with Adlaind a bit more, as I know many lawyers who are idiots. Adalind may have simply been legal arm candy. Some sleazy firms have them on staff, I can begrudgingly accept that type of interpretation. But Juliette too? The doctor who also wanted to learn to defend herself and took up firearms training is just going to shut off her brain and obey a frickin arrogant ass_ _ _ _ like Kenneth because he said to? Did she iron his shirts too so she could feel like a real woman?
Part of what really annoys me is, the creative team made the deliberate decision to change the Juliette character from a local Baker to a Veterinarian. So that also means they made a deliberate decision to, in many ways, up that ante on the implicit statement they were making about Juliette. So apparently women,no matter their level of attainment, education, just lose their own identity and sense of self, intellect, and ability once a man sinks his manhood in her - bravo, we should all be proud, it is so enlightening.
My mother came from a time when a woman’s options for educational attainment and work/career were limited. She was very bright and learned, and in a different time, with different options, would have thrived in the world of female professionals. But she never had that choice/option. As a result it really annoys me when I see a woman of exceptional obtainment portrayed as being put in her place by a man. It would be one thing is Juliette's character made a conscious decision, but as Irukandji indicated it appears Juliette was just being an obedient little girl. Nice, real nice…
(12-22-2016, 04:07 PM)irukandji Wrote: That said, none of this convinces me that Juliette was knew Kelly was going to be killed. I also believe she didn't go upstairs of her own accord, but was told to go up there. She seemed extremely surprised to find Diana sitting in the middle of the livingroom by herself. This again tells me there were some unplanned events that night. The royals don't leave the world's most valuable child sitting by herself in the middle of the living room if they planned on going outside to kill Kelly. They would have told Juliette to take her upstairs.
Okay, accepting what you said as gospel still yields the following query presented as as statement(by the way, this is not a dispute with the ever awesome irukandji's comments (for one I fear her, she can kick my ass), it is more just a convenient entry point into something that has been bothering me for some time about Grimm and the way they portray women):
Juliette was supposedly a middle 30s veterinarian, so she is a doctor. As part of her profession she has to make life and death decisions based on partial information. In other words she has to be intuitive and based on deductive reasoning, supported by science as part of her actual training of her profession able to draw a decisive conclusion. She is, ergo, fully capable of thinking on her own, determining what information is relevant, evaluating that information and drawing a conclusion. So what happened to that woman? Answer, she was devolved by schlock writing to a quivering little girl who responds to the auspice of vested authority with sheer obedience. Moreover, even though you can make the case Kenneth was simply prodding Nick, a simple roll in the hay, i.e getting her needs met, was enough to turn her against him. IN other words: we all know what she needs.
I am the guy who's eye's follow your rear around as you walk, who openly stares at your headlights, and who's smile openly conveys what I am thinking; I can and will respect your intellect, abilities and skills, bu tit is your femaleness that I am drawn to: I am a typical male pig. But even at that this sort of portrayal ticks even me off. How you women are not incensed is beyond me. So I guess we are to assume Kenneth;s schlong is so huge it somehow penetrated Juliette's brain and gave her a lobotomy? I mean where is the woman who went to medical school? Oh I get it, the big strong man told her to go bake cookies so she went ahead and baked both chocolate chip and oatmeal raisin just to be on the safe side?
I can accept what they did with Adlaind a bit more, as I know many lawyers who are idiots. Adalind may have simply been legal arm candy. Some sleazy firms have them on staff, I can begrudgingly accept that type of interpretation. But Juliette too? The doctor who also wanted to learn to defend herself and took up firearms training is just going to shut off her brain and obey a frickin arrogant ass_ _ _ _ like Kenneth because he said to? Did she iron his shirts too so she could feel like a real woman?
Part of what really annoys me is, the creative team made the deliberate decision to change the Juliette character from a local Baker to a Veterinarian. So that also means they made a deliberate decision to, in many ways, up that ante on the implicit statement they were making about Juliette. So apparently women,no matter their level of attainment, education, just lose their own identity and sense of self, intellect, and ability once a man sinks his manhood in her - bravo, we should all be proud, it is so enlightening.
My mother came from a time when a woman’s options for educational attainment and work/career were limited. She was very bright and learned, and in a different time, with different options, would have thrived in the world of female professionals. But she never had that choice/option. As a result it really annoys me when I see a woman of exceptional obtainment portrayed as being put in her place by a man. It would be one thing is Juliette's character made a conscious decision, but as Irukandji indicated it appears Juliette was just being an obedient little girl. Nice, real nice…
Oxford commas are so totally rad!.