(06-21-2019, 09:32 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: Ultimately, independence in this case means the north won't be beholden to whomever sits on the throne and won't have to pay taxes. They have the monarch they want and not the one that's forced upon them. There will undoubtedly be problems in the future but the series ended here so there's not much else to go on. I actually the rest of kingdoms are in more trouble.
Actually, using your own argument that this is medeival times, Sansa would never dare, ever bring anything of the kind up. But speaking of taxes, there's no doubt in my mind that the North has been collecting them from their people for quite some time. They couldn't have a monarchy if they didn't.
The other thing that makes a monarchy a practical aspect for the North is its location. It's remote and a monarchy ensures there's an on-site rule in place. I very much doubt that Sansa would allow any independence. It would be much too radical based on the time frame in which the series takes place.
That was a good observation, and something I hadn't thought of.
(06-21-2019, 09:32 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: That's where the North's freedom of choice came in. They chose their monarch. It has been stated throughout the series how much they liked the rule of the Starks. Stannis wanted to legitimize Jon for this very reason because he knew the north was much more likely to listen to him rather than himself.
Let's just say the leaders of these various provinces liked the rule of the Starks and the room was full of the leaders. Any leadership who detested the Starks wouldn't have made an appearance. Neither would the common folk. So, all told, the leaders who showed up liked the Starks, and so what occurred in that room was the decision maker for leadership. It was not freedom of choice because not all got to make that freedom of choice.
(06-21-2019, 09:32 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: Sansa is different from Dany because she's not threatening people to become queen. Her being a Stark helps as it did for Jon and Robb but the northerners decided to make them their kings. I'm certain Sansa didn't declare herself queen as well.
I can't comment either way on this because we have no idea what Sansa did in order to become queen and what her punishment for treason was once she was on the throne.
Question: Should Jon have been put to death for treason?
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