(11-17-2020, 07:50 AM)irukandji Wrote:Eve said everything that happened to them led them to that moment, needing to battle with Z, to kill him, I'm not arguing how objectively accurate her statement is, just that she said it. You brought up Nick following after and questioning her, i just pointed out what the question was about and what Eve told Nick.(11-16-2020, 12:09 PM)rpmaluki Wrote: Black Claw was the enemy, committing terrorist acts across the globe.
Let's limit this to Portland since that's where we saw them in the series. What, in your opinion, constitutes a terrorist act?
rpmaluki wrote: He didn't question Eve about HW and what had happened to her there. Her life was a mess, she was almost killed, had lost her hexenbiest, practically had nothing to her name, understandably he blamed himself for how her life turned and drew the wrong conclusion, thinking she wanted to change that. She told him that they never truly knew each other and themselves at the time they were together, that she didn't want to undo any of the terrible things that had happened just to be happy, that she'd found her purpose but he still questioned her sincerity about being better off? She recognised that him following after her, he was acting out of guilt for everything that had happened to her and reiterated that they ended up exactly where they were supposed to in order to deal with Zestörer.
They weren't where they were supposed to be in order to deal with Zerstorer because they had no way of dealing with Zerstorer. They failed. Eve made an error in judgment in going there in the first place. But, in her defense, she didn't ask Nick to tag along. He went of his own free will with no explanation as to why he felt he should be there. Eve planned on fighting Zerstorer alone, win or lose. When Nick showed up, uninvited, Eve told him he should have been home with his son, which he should have.
He goes into a diatribe about it being all his fault, which has no bearing on anything because Eve never accused him of being at fault. Then he goes on in an accusatory way of telling her she wants to change that. Nick is the one who brings up the past, not Eve. He still believes he's dealing with Juliette. That shouldn't be, nor should he be trying to bring up things that have no relevance in fighting a demon monster.
Nick was never going to go with HW. All he has to do is look at Eve and know right off hand that these are not the good guys. But if he did, I have no doubt he'd be looking into their tactics and questioning Eve (and no doubt Trubel as well) about them.
Eve's assertion may be in line with something Monroe also said an episode later about fate when they were researching Zestoerer, that everything may have been predestined. He concluded that Z lured Eve through the mirror, so Nick followed, Diana opened the portal to get them back and Z hitched a ride through the mirror because his staff could not open portal from the other side. Now if Juliette had never met Nick as he suggested, the show might have looked different, whether like a domino effect, you take away one part not all the peaces fall where they aught, or causing a different branch in the timeline or whatever. This is why Eve wasn't nostalgic to going back and wanted Nick to understand that.
Interesting, equating someone expressing remorse for their role in another person's life being destroyed over the course of a few years to them having a diatribe.
Nick is the one who brings up the past, i never said otherwise, however, he said none of this would have happened to had she not met him. Eve was the one who mentioned changing the past, twice, she asked him if it's what he thought she wanted, he agreed and later she told him neither of them could change anything. There was no accusation from his end, whether in words or tone. What he believes about Juliette wasn't really far off when parts of Juliette remain even. She keeps speaking of Juliette in the first person and then switching to third person and back agiain. Eve is simply choosing to separate herself completely from her past. What she wants, or wants to believe, may very well be different things here. S5 Eve was a lot closer to being a completely different person than this S6 amalgamation of Juliette and Eve.
Trubel vouched for HW, she'd told him of other Grimms working for HW. Just because he wasn't interested in joining up with them, didn't mean they weren't good guys, at the very least fighting for the same cause. Having a contrast in their modus oparandi doesn't change that they were fighting on the same side. Nick, as a Grimm did things differently to other Grimms, that didn't mean he wasn't a Grimm as tradition dictated. Nick probably looked into HW. He, along with the rest of the scoobies even discussed this but it never materialised on the show. Regardless, he didn't join up because he wasn't interested because he didn't like their methods and was never going to leave Portland to go globe trotting, chasing after BC and other similar threats like Trubel was eager to do.