05-09-2013, 05:34 PM
First, 501 Venus, welcome to the forum and thank you for providing us with such a great post.
I think I'm one of the few fans of Juliette. Actually "fan" might be too strong of a word. I just don't want to see her killed or exiled.
Someone (sorry, I can't remember who) said they thought that part of the problem with Juliette was the writers weren't sure where they wanted to go with her. I never watched Buffy or Angel but I guess some of the creative talent from those shows are responsible for Grimm. Anyway, it was someone's opinion that some of the writers of Buffy and Angel felt that the romantic liaisons in those shows tied those shows down, limited opportunities for those shows to evolve. So they wanted to try not to make those same mistakes. Anyway, I have no idea if those ideas are right. but it might explain why the writing of Juliette's character is wishy-washy.
I agree with a lot of what Venus says about the Juliette arc. However, I felt that in this last episode, with the muse, they did a pretty good job of tying the Juliette thread to the main story line. In fact, I think this was their best effort yet. I didn't have any problem with the the little moment that ended with Nick's face cupped in her hands. I even liked that it left some suspense - he still loves her - that is how the spell was broken. And she may or may not love him. but no matter, she is willing to "be there for him", just like he has always been "there for her". Anyway, it shows some good development in the Juliette character.
I also think that Venus is right about the story had a lot of potential but that something happened that made it go astray. And I think it was the actress who plays Rosalee getting pregnant and having to take some time off. The writers had to wait till Rosalee returned to the show to get the on with the lifting of the amnesia, not to mention the ending of the Renard/Juliette thing.
I don't think Venus should be that critical of Juliette not remembering the accompanying dangers that involved Nick - very few of her memories have returned at this point.
I do think Venus has a very good point about the obsessive lovers theme. Venus points out that this has happened four times - but I'm going to make a case for five. Don't forget that when Rosalee had the yellow plague she had the hots for Monroe. The writers really should give this theme a rest. But in defense of them, it is a fun theme and I think it does appear in fairy tales a lot.
I think I'm in the minority - but i don't have that many problems with the character Juliette. I do believe she has suffered somewhat because the writers haven't quite figured out where they want to go with her. But i never felt she was a "damsel in distress". When things were getting scary - she had Nick teach her how to shoot (and she turned out to be a crack shot). When nick was attacked in their home - she saved him with a pot of boiling water. When Nick gets hurt - she patches him up. When Nick is preoccupied with his parents - she volunteers to research the accident and she finds the detective who investigated the case. When she realizes the trailer may hold the key to some of her lost memories - she insists on visiting it. When she finds some hair from a mysterious beast, she is curious and sends it for DNA testing. She seems to be a very proactive person. and if she seems a little lost here and there - who could blame her - there is some crazy stuff going down.
I think all these developments with Juliette may show she may become a very compelling character in season 3 (if she doesn't' freak out and run off). Rosalee has been very level headed in most episodes - always knowing what to say and how to react (not like Monroe). Juliette may become a nice compliment to that. Plus Rosalee solves things the Weson way. Juliette could be the problem solver in the human world. Up until now Grimms have only been interested in finding out about the best way to kill Weson. With Juliette on his side (not to mention Hank, Renard, Rosalee, and Monroe) the show could investigate a lot more nooks and crannies of the Weson world.
I think I'm one of the few fans of Juliette. Actually "fan" might be too strong of a word. I just don't want to see her killed or exiled.
Someone (sorry, I can't remember who) said they thought that part of the problem with Juliette was the writers weren't sure where they wanted to go with her. I never watched Buffy or Angel but I guess some of the creative talent from those shows are responsible for Grimm. Anyway, it was someone's opinion that some of the writers of Buffy and Angel felt that the romantic liaisons in those shows tied those shows down, limited opportunities for those shows to evolve. So they wanted to try not to make those same mistakes. Anyway, I have no idea if those ideas are right. but it might explain why the writing of Juliette's character is wishy-washy.
I agree with a lot of what Venus says about the Juliette arc. However, I felt that in this last episode, with the muse, they did a pretty good job of tying the Juliette thread to the main story line. In fact, I think this was their best effort yet. I didn't have any problem with the the little moment that ended with Nick's face cupped in her hands. I even liked that it left some suspense - he still loves her - that is how the spell was broken. And she may or may not love him. but no matter, she is willing to "be there for him", just like he has always been "there for her". Anyway, it shows some good development in the Juliette character.
I also think that Venus is right about the story had a lot of potential but that something happened that made it go astray. And I think it was the actress who plays Rosalee getting pregnant and having to take some time off. The writers had to wait till Rosalee returned to the show to get the on with the lifting of the amnesia, not to mention the ending of the Renard/Juliette thing.
I don't think Venus should be that critical of Juliette not remembering the accompanying dangers that involved Nick - very few of her memories have returned at this point.
I do think Venus has a very good point about the obsessive lovers theme. Venus points out that this has happened four times - but I'm going to make a case for five. Don't forget that when Rosalee had the yellow plague she had the hots for Monroe. The writers really should give this theme a rest. But in defense of them, it is a fun theme and I think it does appear in fairy tales a lot.
I think I'm in the minority - but i don't have that many problems with the character Juliette. I do believe she has suffered somewhat because the writers haven't quite figured out where they want to go with her. But i never felt she was a "damsel in distress". When things were getting scary - she had Nick teach her how to shoot (and she turned out to be a crack shot). When nick was attacked in their home - she saved him with a pot of boiling water. When Nick gets hurt - she patches him up. When Nick is preoccupied with his parents - she volunteers to research the accident and she finds the detective who investigated the case. When she realizes the trailer may hold the key to some of her lost memories - she insists on visiting it. When she finds some hair from a mysterious beast, she is curious and sends it for DNA testing. She seems to be a very proactive person. and if she seems a little lost here and there - who could blame her - there is some crazy stuff going down.
I think all these developments with Juliette may show she may become a very compelling character in season 3 (if she doesn't' freak out and run off). Rosalee has been very level headed in most episodes - always knowing what to say and how to react (not like Monroe). Juliette may become a nice compliment to that. Plus Rosalee solves things the Weson way. Juliette could be the problem solver in the human world. Up until now Grimms have only been interested in finding out about the best way to kill Weson. With Juliette on his side (not to mention Hank, Renard, Rosalee, and Monroe) the show could investigate a lot more nooks and crannies of the Weson world.