(10-05-2018, 05:41 PM)N_grimm Wrote: To be clear: I'm not saying Juliette was cowardly, just that she showed no greater courage than the others. It turned out later it was a mistake for a human to smoke the hat, but this was an unknown side-effect. Many of the characters went thru strange and dangerous rituals in the series.
You have argued that she had no personal interests. I argue that “safety” could be one. We know that the triggering factor was the attack on M & R. Her great sin was to blame others, even though Nick did not want her to do it in the first place.
You try to make her appear as a person with big courage and kindness - it's at least the way I interpret it. Most people, including myself, regards her as the big villain in season 4. My point is that she was not any braver than the others. What happened was not expected. And her reaction showed that she was not a good person. Then there is a separate discussion about whether the hexenbiest Juliette reflected her own free will. I believe she was partly responsible - and I have solid arguments to support this (note: attempted humor).
Juliette was a person of courage and kindness. The kindness went out the door, but she didn't lose that courage just because she became a hexenbiest.
But I digress. Back to the decision of taking the potion. I was curious by your statement, "Nick didn't want her to do it (in other words, take the potion) in the first place". I'm not really sure where you were going with that. The only thing I can think of is that you're going with the thought that it was Juliette's idea to become the final ingredient in the potion. So, this is as much her doing as it is Nick's. Please feel free to correct me if this isn't where you were going.
I agree with what you said about Nick, but only to a point. Nick said he didn't want her to take the potion. I'm not sure that's what he meant because later, there's a conversation between him and Monroe. Nick waffles back and forth about the dangers being a grimm poses, having a normal life is very appealing, but....he liked being a grimm and he's pissed his grimm powers were taken away. He states he didn't want to admit it, but he wants his powers back.
I have no issue with the admission. The issue I have is that Nick never bothered to relate any of that to Juliette. By the time the end of the episode comes around and she tells him he needs to be a grimm again, he plays with her by asking her if she means what she's saying and is that what she wants. When she affirms, he makes it seem as though it's all her decision by stating "Then it's what I want too".
Nick didn't want to become a grimm because Juliette wanted it. He already admitted to Monroe that he wanted it back. So why the statement about not wanting her to take the potion? It seemed his concern about the dangers the potion could cause was a valid one. Yet because she said he needed to be a grimm, that all of the sudden eradicates those dangers? His concern could be viewed as a facade, designed to bring her into his way of thinking.
You know, there have been very heated discussions about Juliette embracing the hexenbiest. It's been compared to an addiction. I have to say, after Nick's conversation with Monroe, it seems to me he's the one that's experiencing withdrawal. He liked being a grimm, he misses not being a grimm and he's pissed that grimmness was taken from him. Not to mention that he confides his preference to a friend rather than his partner and then deceives her in order to get what he wants. How fortunate it was that Monroe and Rosalee were targeted just in time for Juliette to come to a decision.
All in all, though, I'd have to say I disagree with you about Juliette being the bigger villain in season 4.
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