(10-26-2017, 09:24 PM)irukandji Wrote: Hell Rell, I get that you're unhappy with the series, believe me. However being honest here, I'm not really sure what you want me to say. You're going all over the place with rants, you know? Do you want to discuss Game of Thrones or just rant about it? Either one is fine with me. All I'm asking is that if you want to discuss it, give a break here, pick a scene you want to talk about and we'll go from there. I'm positive you're not the only one who has issues with the series. A good start might bring other posters into the discussion.
As I didn't really know what you wanted, I brought up the rape from my perspective, not because of anything you said. I admit I wasn't really clear on it, but I was just pointing out that I didn't find it as shocking as apparently a lot of other fans did. I recall a huge outcry on the internet the next day following the episode. In fact, there was an article on MSN and about a thousand comments following it.
So, I'll leave it up to you. I'd love to read your comments and discuss it, but I can't do that until I know what you really want here, to discuss or to rant.
There was already an outcry before Sansa marrying Ramsay was announced but viewers still had hope that the writers wouldn't be that stupid. In fact, I can remember a particular forum on the morning before that episode aired where there were posters who were telling people about the shitstorm that was about to occur. There wasn't going to be a riot before it happened but warned there would be if what they thought was going to happen actually happened. It would then be clear why they tossed Sansa's storyline aside and the backlash would be more furious since the show had dropped the ball with nonsensical rapes before such as Jamie raping Cersei. I even remember an article written on USAtoday three weeks before that episode aired and it was full of commenters who talked about how this story isn't empowering like the writers themselves claimed and how she was more of a victim than ever before which makes no sense based on how the previous season ended and the way her character was progressing.
I was trying to say that you're looking at it from a surface level where the problems I and other people had with it run deeper. It wasn't just some rape is bad and doesn't belong on TV argument. Otherwise, I would never had watched GoT or several other shows including Grimm.
You did ask me about what I thought about her character evolution previously and I didn't really answer you properly so I apologize for that. I'll use another response from a different forum that I think may answer your question. I wrote this during the middle of season 6 as a reply to another poster who was discussing how Sansa has evolved:
Quote:It's not really an arc. Her development and her ability to take down Littlefinger will come out of nowhere. She has observed the major players in King's Landing but she was barely an entry-level player. I didn't see her get trained sufficiently in the art of politics on the show. She was dropped off with Ramsay before that could happen properly. She was locked in a room and raped nightly until she was saved by Theon and went on the run. There hasn't been any time for development.
Sansa needed to have a training arc last season like Arya and Bran(albeit off-screen) to lead into this season. I've seen people say(not saying you're one of them) that she wasn't ready and in over her head last season. What's changed between now and then to prepare her to enter the game? It makes even less sense now than it did before last season. There was no timeskip so how is she more ready now?
Sansa was essentially rebooted last year and most of her prior development became irrelevant. It's now being raped by Ramsay that's going to catapult her character progression(instantly I might add). The writers made her a complete idiot to let LF drag her up Westeros without demanding to know where they were going and marrying Ramsay for "revenge". She made herself a hostage for family killers after she had just escaped that exact situation. They said things like "a hardened woman making a choice" and "she sees the logic in what he's saying" to defend it. That's more naive than season one Sansa who wanted to marry Joffrey before he had Ned killed.
Now, they're going to turn her into a clever schemer at the drop of a dime. It's not believable. She's been turned into a "rape-as-empowerment" walking cliche. They had Ramsay tell Theon "now watch her become a woman" and it seems like his treatment of her is responsible for her development and not the years spent in KL and her time in the Vale.
I think I've stuck to Sansa's storyline on this one so I hope we can discuss it further. I'll be happy to discuss Tyrion, Arya, Jon, Ramsay or whomever you would like separately.