02-25-2016, 09:39 PM
(02-25-2016, 06:29 PM)Fallout merc Wrote:(02-25-2016, 05:54 PM)Belle Wrote:(02-25-2016, 04:55 PM)syscrash Wrote: Nick proposal. Nick was keeping a very big secrete. That he is Grimm is one but that wesen exist is another. It is her clear thinking that allowed her to realize it was more then grief from losing Mari. Would you really wanted her to accept under those conditions. Would you really want her to dump him without even taking the time to find out why Nick had changed. Remember after becoming a Grimm Nick made a big change and became very closed off. His excuse was the death of Mari. Juliette did not buy that.
You say she should have told Nick abut the Sean compulsion. Isn't that a lot to expect from someone how doesn't even know this world she has been shoved into even exist. Doesn't Juliette get any credit for being able to hold it together after having her mind whipped. Remember she doesn't even know the hexenbiest, potions, magic even exist. to her she is having a psychotic break. The way she pulled through would take a lot of strength. And still she did not leave him.
When she finally did learn about wesen she did not run. She studied the books, and tried to become part of his world. It was only after several cases that she started to have doubts if this was a life for her. It was Nick reassurance he could protect her that caused her to decide to stick with it. We she how well Nick keep his promise to protect her. Being turned into a hexenbiest is not my idea of protecting her.
This idea she was stringing Nick along, what would you want her to do. If Nick had not keep making a promise he could not keep she would not stay. Even now Nick is promising Adalind he can protect her. I am sure she is thinking, yea like you did for Juliette. If Nick could not protect Juliette from Adalind what make Adalind think he can protect her from Eve. Like Adalind said Eve is a weapon. Nick is the one stringing them both along.
The chemistry, they both have always had chemistry they are two different people. Juliette was loving and tender very reserved. Adalind is wild, passionate, and extremely sexual. The same reaction you saw when Hexenette was with Renard and then Kenneth.
After the body swap, I don't know any women that would have sympathy at that moment. Especially after hear Nick go on and on how great it was. Her mind is going, and you couldn't tell that was not me. Juliette would never have been that rambunctious in the sack. Even when she became Adalind she was still reserved, loving but reserved. That is why so many post are that's BS that Nick could not tell. These two women are as different as night and day.
Juliette never had a problem with Nick being a Grimm. It is the danger that keep coming to the house. The constant danger that necessitated Nick moving to a bunker. Would you really want a character so clueless as to not realize the constant danger she is in staying with Nick. This is a women who only dreamed of having a career and a family. Even Adalind is questioning if she wants to stay, seeing how danger follows Nick. It is funny that Nick would say after moving to the bunker, that he thought he left that behind. But he is still doing the same thing inviting danger. What is the saying dong the same thing but expecting different results.
Quote:I also think it's important to note that with Trubel around, not to mention several members of the Portland PD supporting them, Rosalee and Monroe would have been neither helpless, nor on their own had Nick chosen not to transition back, but he didn't really get to make the choice for himself, Juliette made it for him.Nick is the one that did not want to involve Trubel because it was to dangerous. Remember he said "I can't keep calling Trubel in on these cases". Portland PD is no help in fighting wesen. As they showed you need someone that can identify what you are dealing with. If Portland PD could handle these cases. They would not have needed to call Nick in when Hank was working with detective Pogue.
When Nick lost his powers the only reason he considered not getting them back was because of Juliette. The whole time he wanted to be a Grimm again he missed it. He needed to be a Grimm again. Once she became a hexenbiest she understood the pull of wanting the power. When he was powerless Juliette know Nick wanted to be a Grimm again. She did not have to convince him, she only had to agree to help him.
You say Juliette is selfish. Getting Nicks powers back was the most selfless thing anyone on this she has done. There was noting in that act that benefited Juliette. She was taking all the risk, for the sole purpose of helping to keep her friends safe. AS for making the choice, she nor any of them knew the magnitude of the risk. It is one thing to have side effects. Medicine we take has side effects. But no one ever considers the side effect to change everything about who you are. Like Juliette said you call this a side effect.
Quote:Following that we see Juliette embrace her hexenbiest self in a matter of weeks. No one in her circle of close friends is able to reach Juliette to convince her to even suppress her inner hexenbiest and I personally believe that's because Juliette doesn't care about anyone else half as much as she cares about herself and in spite of her whining about how this terrible fate has befallen her Juliette seems pretty jazzed about becoming powerful. She goes from "someone needs to help me" to "bleep you all I'm going to stay a mega hexenbiest" in a matter of days.That is the same denial that he friends showed. Even after the fact, Adalind is even worried that the suppression will ware off and even she does not know what the results will be. Yet you still advocate for Juliette to take yet another one of Adalind potions. Really even the group said she would not take if Juliette knew Adalind made it. Which made me laugh. do they really think Juliette is that stupid to not realize where the potion came from and how they tested it.
Quote:I personally have never seen Juliette do much of anything that wasn't predominantly selfish in nature before or after she became a hexenbiest.The women that put Juliette in a coma shows up at her door, with people trying to kill her. Yet Juliette puts her anger aside and helps her and Diana. But you see that as selfish. You say Adalind made the suppression to help Juliette. Since we now know the suppression would not have changed anything. It is obvious the suppression was so Juliette would not have the power to kill her. She know Nick or no one else could have stopped her. Adalind was trying to get enough time to have the baby and get away from Juliette. She had never planned to set up house with Nick. But you comment indicate Adalind was being selfless trying to help.
And like many I think this whole "Eve" nonsense is just one more convenient excuse Juliette is using to make herself look less evil than she actually is.
Juliette embarrassed what she was. She had not choice, she is and will be a hexenbiest. What would you have preferred, she stay in denial and act is if it never happened. To go day to day forcing herself to not woge or use her powers. Juliette has never been shown to be that weak minded. She powered through having a memory whipped, without going crazy. wu went the the psychic, Hank sat in his room holding his gun. Even the compulsion, she not only fought it, but agreed to participate in some crazy ritual. Remember she still did not know about wesen, magic, potions or any of it. Put your self in her shoes. She has no idea who Nick is, she is suffering from what she must think is a nervous breakdown. She see's the pictures an people are telling her how happy Nick and her where , but she can;t even remember him. She is now in what must seem the strangest shop she has ever seen. With people she barely knows. Being ask to take part in a ritual that make no sense to her. She does it on pure faith. Yet she is the evil character.
Yup, you believe Juliette can do no wrong and is the consummate victim. It seems no one has ambivalent feelings about her and neither side can sway the other from their extreme.
Sorry, but I simply don't buy your justifications for Juliette's choices, not even a little bit.
What you view as Juliette's strength; I see as her selfishness.
Rewatch the scene when Juliette refuses to drink the potion that would suppress her hexenbiest; she's knows precisely where she is, who she's with and what she's doing. For me that exchange was powerful evidence of how much Juliette enjoys being powerful and evil.
Juliette has done everything for herself, which is why I believe she is merely using her Eve persona as a means to an end.
In my opinion, it would be incredibly unwise of Meisner, Nick, Trubel or anyone else to trust her because I sense she is gearing up for her next big betrayal.
Can you tell me how Juliette is wrong in not accepting a proposal knowing nick is hiding something from her and wanted to wait until he told her before going into marriage.
Before she knew and after she knew Nick was a grimm Juliette strung Nick along.
If you don't trust someone, it's simple, don't be with them.
I don't have a problem with Juliette not accepting Nick's proposal if she didn't feel comfortable with him, but if that was how she felt she should have broken up with him. If you can't say yes to a proposal, what you're actually saying is no, but Juliette wouldn't say no, she preferred to string Nick along.
Then, after Juliette found out what Nick was hiding, as well as why, and that it was not something he had any control over she had an opportunity to make a well informed choice and she still wouldn't either agree to be with him or let him go.
Juliette wanted to have it both ways. She wanted to keep Nick on the hook, but she didn't want to commit to him.
The most generous thing I can ever say or think about Juliette is that Nick didn't obviously trust her either (at least not right after he learned he was a grimm), so in that respect they are equal.
Of course Juliette proved repeatedly that she didn't deserve to be trusted, so maybe he just knew she couldn't handle the truth and wanted to spare her.
Bottom line, Juliette is a hypocrite. She went out of her way to make Nick feel like being a Grimm made him unworthy of her love, her trust and her fidelity, but she didn't then leave him. No, she preferred to twist the knife for months on end pretending that maybe, just maybe she could stomach being with him despite the fact that he was a grimm.
Then, when a miracle occurs and he's not a grimm, Juliette starts humming and hawing all over again until she decides that "you NEED to be a grimm again". HA!
So Nick does what he's told like a sucker and he still gets blamed even though he did exactly what Juliette told him to do, something which coincidentally he couldn't have even done without her help.
And then as a parting kick in the groin Juliette springs the fact that she is a hexebiest on him, gives him less than a minute to decide he's completely cool with it before she lays another even bigger guilt trip on him.
Then Juliette runs off to bang his boss, burn down a trailer containing priceless family history, as well as weapons critical to Nick's safety. In the meantime, while Juliette is busy destroying everything Nick ever cared about, he and all his friends are trying desperately to identify any way they can help her.
Naturally to reward Nick and all the other people who are under the misguided impression that Juliette is their friend for trying to help her, she uses her new power to try and make one friend murder another while his wife watches. Alas, that's still not enough fun for Juliette, so she decides to use her relationship with Nick to lure his mother to her death, serving up the wholesale slaughter of all their neighbors as a side dish. The cherry on top of everything being that she takes a child away from someone risking her life to protect said child, and delivers her, not to her mother, but to some creepy old dude who promises Juliette what? More power and some cash for her troubles.
But wait, there's more...
Grinning gleefully, Juliette gets all excited because after yanking Nick's crank for years; stomping on his heart repeatedly, and destroying his entire life she decides it's finally time to put him out of his misery and kill him. I'm guessing Juliette actually wanted to kill Nick because, after ruining him in every possible way, she figured she'd run out of ways to torture him, which meant he'd lost his entertainment value.
Mercifully, Trubel saved Nick.
Unfortunately, Meisner made the tragic mistake of letting Juliette live.
So now Juliette's alive and bound to run into the man who was her favorite plaything...
What to do?
Well what could be more evil than pretending that not one single thing you'd done to the man whose life you'd worked so hard to destroy was your fault?
That's right, don't apologize for the fact that you basically gave him his mother's decapitated head as a goodbye gift after you'd done everything you could think of to cause him pain and humiliate him.
Instead, pretend your someone else, even though you openly admit you remember every single thing you did, and then tell him that what you're really sorry about is the fact he never got a chance to say farewell to you when disappeared for a while so you could go shopping for some really trashy wigs.
Seriously, I don't understand how anyone can find anything redeemable about Juliette.
The only reason I can possibly conceive of for bringing Juliette back from the dead was so that she could die in a more horrible and degrading way.
Though personally, I still wish they'd just left her dead.