11-23-2015, 03:55 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-23-2015, 04:15 PM by GrimmsterAla.)
(11-23-2015, 02:59 PM)grimmfan14 Wrote: It's not Juliette's fault what happened to her. But the show also showed that she made choices - made choices to accept the darker impulses, to reject Nick's help constantly, to feel rage instead of anything else.
Given all the hexenbeists that DID exhibit free will, it's hypocritical to say Juliette didn't have a choice. She had a choice to "go bad."
Juliette was ANGRY. You can argue she had every right to be angry. Maybe she did! She was put in a horrible position. But she chose to embrace that anger, and that's why they all had to turn against her in some way (meaning you don't see anyone openly grieving her other than Rosalee, who feels almost guilty for missing her).
This scene tells you everything. She has every right to be angry, but she acts on it on her own choice. Nick hands her the potion and she has all the time in the world to think about what she's doing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLOr0cNfKTI
Well put. I agree with you that Juliette made those choices, and each of those choices, spurned by feelings of rage, anger, ect., pulled her further and further away from Nick and closer to embracing her hexenbiest.
(11-23-2015, 02:59 PM)grimmfan14 Wrote: They started the "Adelind is good arc" before the hexenbeist was suppressed to show it WAS possible. Go watch the scenes when she's with Meisner escaping the Royals.
So funny, the people who act like Juliette did nothing wrong, it was all the spirit of the hexenbeist, still blame Adelind for all her choices. It doesn't work both ways.
You are right, those scenes, with a maternal Adalind show that it was possible for a hexenbiest to be good, or at least want to be good. She was motivated now.
(11-23-2015, 02:59 PM)grimmfan14 Wrote: But that scene also has Nick saying that he doesn't like who she is, ie a hexenbeist. And I think a lot of the drama this year will come from him dealing with that again (when Adelind gets her powers back) and having to make a different choice. And it might be easier for him because he's known her as a hexenbeist, and know she's capable of wanting otherwise.
This is where the Nick/Juliette ship went off the rails. Juliette had to constantly accept Nick as a Grimm. Their crazy lives. But after it all, Nick did not accept Juliette. Maybe they simply did not have time, or maybe Juliette was going too far and Nick was trying to "fix" her instead of accept her.
I agree that this year, with Adalind, Nick will have to deal with the hexenbiest again and how he deals with it will probably be different. I believe he will try and it will be hard but in the end, for the sake for their child, they will come to some sort of acceptance. He couldn't do it for Juliette but again, maybe it all comes down to timing? And the fact that Adalind was born into the Wesen World. Nick is not responsible for turning her or destroying her normal life, like he was with Juliette. Things will be different this time.
(11-23-2015, 03:39 PM)grimmfan14 Wrote: They both did horrible things. My point is that people want to only judge Adelind for her choices. But with Juliette, they talk about the hexen spirit and have no choice. It goes both ways.
I think it would be strange writing for this show to put Nick and Juliette back together. They've never really done a great job of convincing the audience that they were some epic love that could overcome anything. In fact, they couldn't overcome some things, the consequences of Nick being a Grimm and all that came from that being the main one.
I think Nick would want to try, sure, but I wonder if they could overcome the betrayals they felt while in love. I would really wonder at the point of these last couple of seasons too. I'm sure adelind's defense would be that she never had a reason NOT to do what she did. Nick was a Grimm and they weren't her friends. They were her enemies, and in the end they stole her child. She had no obligation or reason to choose any other way, unlike Juliette.
I think what happened with Juliette is going to get flipped on its head when Adelind's powers come back. That's probably the drama that all of this is leading to.
I do not think all of us will ever agree on the Adalind/Juliette as Hexenbiests issues and their actions, choices or responsibilities. I feel as though a line has been drawn in the sand. :/
Nick would try to forgive Juliette, but if he actually could is another thing. And it's also an entirely other thing for him to get back with Juliette. Neither of them are the same people that they were, that they fell in love with. If Juliette comes back, I do not see them instantly getting back together. Too much has happened for that to even be good for either of them.
I do like your defense of Adalind. You are right. She never had a reason NOT to do what she did. She was not on their side, on their team, unlike Juliette. I believe that makes such a big difference.
"Stronger than lover's love is lover's hate.
Incurable, in each, the wounds they make."
Incurable, in each, the wounds they make."