11-23-2015, 02:48 PM
(11-23-2015, 01:20 PM)irukandji Wrote:(11-23-2015, 12:54 PM)GrimmsterAla Wrote: I think that everyone is confusing something quite simple. Adalind the Hexenbiest and Juliette the Hexenbiest are TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. They are different people, different characters with different drives and motivations.
Respectfully speaking, in my case, you are wrong. I'm quite intelligent enough to see the difference.
(11-23-2015, 12:54 PM)GrimmsterAla Wrote: Until the show can make it absolutely clear what being a Hexenbiest means, and if or how it changes a person, then we will all continue to bicker about this.
I'm probably wrong here, but you say this like it's a bad thing. I think in any case, we'll have to continue to debate about it because Grimm is never going to answer this question.
(11-23-2015, 12:54 PM)GrimmsterAla Wrote: I am not excusing Adalind for her actions. Nor am I excusing Juliette. They both did shitty things to Nick and the Scoobies. But with Juliette it HURT and stung more because she used to be one of them. She was close to them and loved them. Fought side by side with them. Adalind just did what she did for herself. She wasn't one of them or a part of their gang. She was just a nemesis.
No disrespect intended here, but you actually are excusing Adalind. You're saying she did what she did for herself. There's an argument below that states Adalind did these terrible things because she was a pawn. It seems no one really knows why Adalind did what she did. But what I see from the Adalind shippers is they are willing to find anything to show that Adalind was not at fault for what she did. I disagree. She made the decision to go along with and do whatever dirty deeds were asked of her. I do not agree that Juliette's deeds were worse than Adalind's, or the scoobies including Nick. In Juliette's defense, she herself said the hexenbiest was taking control. In view of Adalind's recent talk with Rosalee, I tend to believe Juliette was telling the truth and didn't have a lot of control over the biest. That doesn't mean she's innocent, but I don't consider her fully guilty either. She didn't ask what happened to her.
(11-23-2015, 12:54 PM)GrimmsterAla Wrote: As a viewer, I am trying to understand and look at it from Juliette and Adalind's perspectives. If you cannot do that then you will not get the full effect of the story and you will not believe or want to see what you are seeing.
Good for you. But I do want to point out, respectfully speaking once again, that no matter how much you try and look at it from Juliette and Adalind's perspectives, you're still going to see it your way. If you prefer Adalind, you're not going to pick so hard at her motives. If I like Juliette, I'm not going to pick so hard at her actions.
(11-23-2015, 12:54 PM)GrimmsterAla Wrote: I liked that Juliette went bad and I understand why, after all she's been through, all she's lost. She was a victim from the start, thanks to Nick's lies, then she was a target. So when she got the power to stand up for herself she took it and used it. Amen to her. She just couldn't stop. And I do wish she had time to try and redeem herself, but you gotta realize that this is a show about the Grimm. And to have the biggest impact on him, to move along his story, Juliette was sacrificed so that Nick would seek vengeance and turn darker. Until of course the baby became his focus.
Again, respectfully countering here, I'm intelligent enough to know that the show is about The Grimm. That makes me wonder why we have to have a silly storyline about Adalind and Nick playing house. I've watched Grimm for a while now, and why this has to be a storyline in the midst of this huge uprising makes no sense to me.
(11-23-2015, 12:54 PM)GrimmsterAla Wrote: Adalind said it quite simply during her talk with Rosalee. It's too dangerous. Because of the spell they did, along with all the others probably, they DO NOT know what the consequences will be. The spell was unknown to them in the first place. It was family gossip and they are lucky that it worked. If they put even more magic on top of all that they have already done, the consequences can be severe. If it was a simple spell, in a book, I am sure they would do it in a heartbeat. But they dont have a simple spell. Or a book for reference. So why take the danger of something going WRONG again, now?
And yet, in this very thread you expected Juliette to just shrug her shoulders and swallow a suppressant made by her enemy, Adalind. I actually call what Juliette did intelligent and what the scoobies did despicable in this case. They relied on their nemesis (this is what you called her, I believe) to draft up some potion and then expected Juliette to swallow it.
(11-23-2015, 12:54 PM)GrimmsterAla Wrote: Ummm... yes Juliette became a Hexenbiest not by choice, but by helping Nick, but she did have a choice to suppress it, which she literally smashed, then attacked the Scoobies by way of Nick and his gun. She didn't want to be a hexenbiest, tried to find a way out herself but when she realized she couldn't she was too blinded by rage, hurt and shock to try deal and understand it with the help of Nick. Or the Scoobies. She decided she LIKED the POWER. After being a victim and target, it's understandable, but it was a CHOICE.
No offense meant, but the above paragraph leads me to believe that you're not trying to understand and look at it from Juliette's perspective. If you were, you might realize that Juliette was not wrong to refuse that potion. It would have been foolish for her to take it. After all, as you also said, we have no idea of what a hexenbiest really is, since the show has never defined them. How does any one of us know for sure that that potion would not have killed her?
You don't agree Juliette's actions were worse than Adelind?! She's responsible for Kelly's head getting cut off? Trying to kill Monroe?
No matter what happens, no matter how sorry she is, I cannot imagine a way in which Nick can ever get over the things that Juliette said or did as a hexenbeist. Bringing the Royals to come for Kelly/Diana was a bridge too far.