11-19-2015, 10:59 AM
(11-19-2015, 08:43 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:(11-19-2015, 08:40 AM)irukandji Wrote:We are at the normal point where we agree to disagree, but alway fun.(11-19-2015, 08:16 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:(11-19-2015, 07:39 AM)irukandji Wrote:Correct but as soon a Renard left her home she when to a book and look shock that this could be happening. Also we will note that after the killing we hear Jack talking. Jack know what Renard was doing but Renard didn't know what Jack was doing.(11-19-2015, 06:46 AM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: I will left the hard part of the argument to Jsgrimm45. I write about just one point I remember about.
Rosalee and Monroe didn't tell the captain about their plan to give the medical that fake death because according to them jack the spirit would know everything Sean knows. This way to trap the spirit they would have to lie to Sean, as they did.
This way, the spirit knew Juliette was a new born hexanbiest with strong power but no knowledge... He also know Henrietta was a powerful hexanbiest with great knowledge. I remember Sean going to Henrietta, Henrietta asking some questions and her words after that was like she already know what was going on and how to deal with that. That is why jack the spirit felt threatened. This didn't happen with Juliette and neither with Rosalee.
I don't remember the episode verbatim, but what you're stating is not how the recap reads. It said when Sean went to see her, he was upset and yelling because she didn't know what was happening to him. She told him she had to research it further.
Also looked like Jack could not take over completely we seen Renard do some small crimes before the killing started like Jack control was increasing. The killing didn't start until S4E20 and again Juliette wasn't around Sean any longer she was with Kenneth. After we seen him tell Juliette about the baby for Juliette that became the one thing so even if Jack wanted her dead he don't have the time or place to do it.
I believe the only reason Jack killed Henrietta was to stop Sean from getting help to put him out. Jack likely would have killed Adalind because Sean would know that Adalind would also know how to take him out of Sean, but again will are back to Adalind was now being protected by a Grimm. We could guess because he was once sent back by a Grimm would not take that chance. He knew that if Sean was killed he would go back to where ever.
When Juliette and Sean had they little bed time, like you said Juliette wasn't a working girl nothing about the real Jack was known. The real Jack may have had a girlfriend and after over a century in the black will go where you want. He had a willing partner and control somewhat of a host.
My point is that Jack the Ripper would have never perceived Henrietta as a threat. In fact, there have been among the thousand theories posed that the real killer did all that he could so he *would* get caught without turning himself in and still never was caught.
Since Henrietta never really came out with anything that concretely proved the spirit was a threat, we'll never really know. I think Grimm just blew this one from beginning to end. I think it would have been much cooler if he'd pursued Juliette.
This is yet another issue with lack of character development in Grimm. If they're going to show a story where Renard takes on the characteristics of Jack the Ripper, then they need to follow the path the historical character would have taken.
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