(06-25-2018, 04:22 AM)irukandji Wrote: Why bring guns to a confrontation with Juliette when none of them had been attacked by her?
You have posted on previous threads that a parent of yours was in Law Enforcement. If this was not a lie? How can you claim they brought guns? Cops carry guns on duty and off duty, well at least here in the USA. Maybe where you live they don't.
Nick and Hank are not English bobbies on the beat with a baton and a whistle when on duty. They are Homicide Detectives, as such, I am sure even in England Homicide Detectives carry guns. They pulled their guns out after Rosalee and Monroe were thrown across the room. That was AFTER Juliette got violent.
How many lies are capable of posting and expect to be believable? Aren't cops supposed to have guns on them, especially Homicide Detectives? Did they pulled out their guns just as Juliette walked in the room? What flocking planet are you from?
People, PLEASE, if any of you know this person, this person needs help, serious help. Kidding aside, this is a serious issue with this contributor.
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(06-20-2018, 08:41 AM)dicappatore Wrote: NG, you are no longer heading down the rabbit hole but you are deep inside and digging a bigger one with such a delusional forum contributor. . . .
. . . take all what Juliette did, leading up to the Spice Shop Scene, let me ingratiate the fantasy.
Yea, Juliette did deserve to know the real reason for the whole gang to be present at the spice shop. You see, Nick, Monroe, Rosalee and Wu were all jealous of Juliette becoming the most powerful Hexenbiest that ever existed, That also including Hank. They were all conspiring to not just suppress her powers but to secretly remove them since the potion was secretly a Hex removal potion instead of just a suppressor.
The potion Adalind took was an un-fermented batch that did not age to its ultimate version. When Adalind ingested it, it was in its suppression stage. Once fully fermented, as it was when presented to Juliette it became a Hex Removal Potion. But the genius Juliette with her intellectual intuitive researching skills did her homework. She was fully aware of what the whole gang was conspiring, was able to foil their scheme it and have a little fun at it. As usual, the heroine of the show Grimm wins another day.
How's THAT for "writers intent"?
Hi Dicap:
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06-25-2018, 01:58 PM (This post was last modified: 06-25-2018, 02:47 PM by Hell Rell.)
(06-25-2018, 01:42 AM)syscrash Wrote:
Quote:Rosalee lunged at it because it was the only potion they had. That makes it valuable enough to save it.
Save it for what. Something only has value if someone wants it.
The only potion is going to be preserved by anyone with even a little bit of sense.
Take IZombie for example. What if Ravi had a cure for Liv but she decided not to take it. Do you think he would be okay with destroying it or keep it in case she decided she wanted it at some later time?
Like I said, the decision to take it always belonged to Juliette. They would keep it in case she decided she wanted it some day. If that day never came, the potion wouldn't be used unless some other human became a Hexenbiest.
We have seen transformations throughout the show such as Rosalee, Hank, Nick, and Renard's respective afflictions. They had no control over what they became. That's why they were force fed cures. Juliette embraced the Hexenbiest but she still made her own decisions which is why she was the only one given a choice to take a solution to her problem. Nobody forced her to do anything since she became a Hexenbiest.
(06-25-2018, 01:42 AM)syscrash Wrote: Rosalee would've just kept the potion until Juliette decided she wanted to take it just like the original plan was before the confrontation
Quote:And that is the problem with your argument. You continue to see the potion as a cure and the best solution for Juliette. Like Nick, you accepting that Juliette is a hexenbiest seems to not be seen as an option. Even though in the show, it is shown the potion is not a cure because it wares off. The show also shows had Juliette taken the potion, the factory ambush would have end with them all dead. Since Eve would not have been their to save them.
Here is the other problem. You do not see Rosalee coming towards Juliette as an attack because of your reason why she was coming towards Juliette.
Your view might hold water if we where talking about people. We have seen six years of how wesen attack. In every case without exception, they lung for the throat. A move that is reminiscent of Rosalee move. Based on six season of wesen attacks, a wesen lunging is an attack.
There is on basic concept that is completely over looked. That concept is no means no. Juliette said no, she did not want to take it. They just could not take no for an answer. Even to the point of pressuring her.
Anyone familiar with my posts would know that I never once argued Juliette should've taken the suppressant. I always said she had every right not to take it. However, that does not equate to me thinking the suppressant should be destroyed. I'm not arguing for either. I don't see why I need to take such an extreme position. I know the suppressant isn't a cure so the argument against the scoobies becomes weaker when that gets taken into consideration.
I don't consider what Rosalee did an attack and I doubt Juliette did as well. It seemed like she attacked Rosalee because she was trying to save the suppressant and that's after Rosalee made it clear what she was attempting to do. Attacking Juliette actually increases the chances of the suppressant hitting the floor since it was hovering in the air due to Juliette's control.
Besides. you say that what Rosalee did could be considered an attack but I've seen you argue that Juliette shaking the shop shouldn't be considered a threat. One of these makes more sense than the other considering who Rosalee is and her relationship to Juliette compared to Juliette's recent attitude and actions.
Juliette said no and she shouldn't take it if she didn't want to and I never argued otherwise. I also acknowledge that this is the same Juliette who blamed everyone in that room for becoming a Hexenbiest three episodes previous and said she was in hell just one episode previous so keeping the only suppressant around in case she wanted to drink it doesn't seem like such a bad idea especially since it's not a cure.
(06-25-2018, 04:22 AM)irukandji Wrote: I think we all agree that it was Juliette's decision on whether or not she was going to take the potion. At the point where Rosalee lunged at her, Juliette hadn't refused to take the potion and she hadn't destroyed it. Juliette was levitating the jar so the potion had not been destroyed. What was Rosalee doing interfering when she herself handed the potion over to Juliette?
Rosalee was clearly afraid Juliette would drop the suppressant. Juliette had no reason to levitate the jar so of course Rosalee would attempt to catch it. There's no doubt about it. Preventing the jar from hitting the ground is not an interference. It's simply preventing the suppressant from being destroyed.
(06-25-2018, 04:22 AM)irukandji Wrote: He had no problem telling her to get out at the precinct and according to most here, that was an even more violent confrontation than the spice shop. The thing is, she left.
That was before Juliette burnt the trailer. Like I said, her acts of aggression were escalating. Their concerns about her were pretty explicit at the beginning of this very episode.
(06-25-2018, 04:22 AM)irukandji Wrote: And if a pretty please wasn't going to do it, then why would you think that if the scoobies said pretty please to Juliette in the first place, she would just fall over, thank her lucky stars and take the potion?
I never said Juliette would take the potion. The pretty please was in reference to getting Juliette to leave the shop. That clearly wouldn't have worked which is why they went on the offensive after being attacked by Juliette.
(06-25-2018, 04:22 AM)irukandji Wrote: What exactly was Monroe going to do? Even you have to admit that woging and going after a hexenbiest who could easily kill him was foolhardy. And it stands to reason that such a foolhardy action is going to make the gun toting Nick and Hank raise the stakes even higher by drawing their weapons. All because Rosalee interfered where she shouldn't have interfered.
Monroe is also the guy who told Nick he wanted him to continue coming to him for help despite being jumped and threatened further just for associating with him.
It may have been foolhardy but Monroe will always defend Rosalee no matter the odds. That has been his character since the start of his romance. He would die, and nearly did, fighting on her behalf. Someone attacking her ranks even higher on his list than someone attacking Nick. Nobody attacks Rosalee and gets away with it as long as he's around. The outcome may not turn out so well but that doesn't change what he would do.
(06-25-2018, 04:22 AM)irukandji Wrote: Why bring guns to a confrontation with Juliette when none of them had been attacked by her?
They don't have to be defenseless against her. They're cops so of course they brought guns. They shouldn't be expected not to defend themselves once something goes wrong. They probably would've done more had it not been Juliette. Being cautious isn't something that should be held against them and we saw that they didn't pull them out until after Rosalee and Monroe were tossed out of the way.
We all knew the guns wouldn't work but this happens in a lot of shows including the Gifted. Cops instinctively pull guns even when dealing with someone like Polaris. It also happened in Heroes when an agent pulled a gun on someone who they knew could control people like puppets.
(06-25-2018, 01:58 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: Rosalee was clearly afraid Juliette would drop the suppressant. Juliette had no reason to levitate the jar so of course Rosalee would attempt to catch it. There's no doubt about it.
While I agree it's an unusual thing to levitate the jar of potion, I also believe Rosalee's fears were unfounded. If Rosalee had just stopped for a moment and let Juliette have her little tantrum she would have seen quite clearly that Juliette had no problem levitating the jar. It was in no danger of breaking unless Juliette wanted it to break, which she didn't until after Rosalee interfered.
(06-25-2018, 01:58 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: Preventing the jar from hitting the ground is not an interference. It's simply preventing the suppressant from being destroyed.
The potion was given to Juliette, presumably to drink, but if Juliette chose not to drink it there, or go and destroy it outside the big brother watch of the scoobies, that was her decision. There is no clear reason why Rosalee would want the potion saved.
(06-25-2018, 01:58 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: That was before Juliette burnt the trailer. Like I said, her acts of aggression were escalating. Their concerns about her were pretty explicit at the beginning of this very episode.
And this is an interesting thought. Just how many acts of aggression does it take for these people to become concerned and pay attention? It seems by this point their concern was just too late.
(06-25-2018, 01:58 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: I never said Juliette would take the potion. The pretty please was in reference to getting Juliette to leave the shop. That clearly wouldn't have worked which is why they went on the offensive after being attacked by Juliette.
Another interesting thought to which I have a question. Did the scoobies have a plan for taking the offensive if things went south? The reason I ask is if they knew a *pretty please* wasn't going to work with her, then there would have had to have been a plan b to refer to.
(06-25-2018, 01:58 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: Monroe is also the guy who told Nick he wanted him to continue coming to him for help despite being jumped and threatened further just for associating with him.
It may have been foolhardy but Monroe will always defend Rosalee no matter the odds. That has been his character since the start of his romance. He would die, and nearly did, fighting on her behalf. Someone attacking her ranks even higher on his list than someone attacking Nick. Nobody attacks Rosalee and gets away with it as long as he's around. The outcome may not turn out so well but that doesn't change what he would do.
What about Monroe simply preventing his wife from going toward Juliette? Wouldn't that have been a better form of defense rather than letting her charge toward Juliette?
(06-25-2018, 01:58 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: They don't have to be defenseless against her. They're cops so of course they brought guns. They shouldn't be expected not to defend themselves once something goes wrong. They probably would've done more had it not been Juliette. Being cautious isn't something that should be held against them and we saw that they didn't pull them out until after Rosalee and Monroe were tossed out of the way.
Just because a cop is a cop doesn't mean he can use his gun whenever and wherever he pleases. The thing to consider is what everyone was so outraged about; the fact that Juliette caused the gun to point at Monroe and Rosalee. That's Nick and Hank's fault right there. They weren't on duty to catch some criminal at the spice shop. They were supposed to be helping Juliette. The guns never should have come with them.
(06-25-2018, 01:58 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: We all knew the guns wouldn't work but this happens in a lot of shows including the Gifted. Cops instinctively pull guns even when dealing with someone like Polaris. It also happened in Heroes when an agent pulled a gun on someone who they knew could control people like puppets.
I never understood Nick in this situation. According to what I've read, he adored Juliette. The thought of even pulling a gun on her should have been so repulsive that it would have never been a consideration.
The best way to frustrate a cyberbully is to ignore him.
There were other people by means of protecting-Rosalee,Monroe,Hank-
He should let himself be trampled because he still felt even love?
I do not see anything strange that they carried weapons.
(06-25-2018, 01:58 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: Rosalee was clearly afraid Juliette would drop the suppressant. Juliette had no reason to levitate the jar so of course Rosalee would attempt to catch it. There's no doubt about it.
While I agree it's an unusual thing to levitate the jar of potion, I also believe Rosalee's fears were unfounded. If Rosalee had just stopped for a moment and let Juliette have her little tantrum she would have seen quite clearly that Juliette had no problem levitating the jar. It was in no danger of breaking unless Juliette wanted it to break, which she didn't until after Rosalee interfered.
As usual you twist facts into lies to meet your agenda. Rosalee went for the potion as Juliette stopped levitating it and started to drop. Juliette's response to Rosalee trying to catch it was to trow her across the room. Juliette was the one to initiate violence.
(06-26-2018, 04:37 AM)irukandji Wrote:
(06-25-2018, 01:58 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: Preventing the jar from hitting the ground is not an interference. It's simply preventing the suppressant from being destroyed.
The potion was given to Juliette, presumably to drink, but if Juliette chose not to drink it there, or go and destroy it outside the big brother watch of the scoobies, that was her decision. There is no clear reason why Rosalee would want the potion saved.
Again, twisting the time line does not make it fact. Did your delusional mind forget Juliette was looking for help for weeks for her condition. Rosalee is the one that went out of her way to help a friend. To make that potion, she got Adalind to exhume her mother's corpse. She had every right to try to save it by trying to catch it. Only in your twisted world she deserve to get thrown across the room by a friend she was responding to help.
(06-26-2018, 04:37 AM)irukandji Wrote:
(06-25-2018, 01:58 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: That was before Juliette burnt the trailer. Like I said, her acts of aggression were escalating. Their concerns about her were pretty explicit at the beginning of this very episode.
And this is an interesting thought. Just how many acts of aggression does it take for these people to become concerned and pay attention? It seems by this point their concern was just too late.
Obviously you have no clue on how real friends treat one another. Friends don't easily give up on friends. This is why her best friends (the gang) did NOT give up on her. If you are incapable to grasp that within your life style maybe that is why you didn't see that part of being friends with these characters meant for almost 4 seasons.
(06-26-2018, 04:37 AM)irukandji Wrote:
(06-25-2018, 01:58 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: I never said Juliette would take the potion. The pretty please was in reference to getting Juliette to leave the shop. That clearly wouldn't have worked which is why they went on the offensive after being attacked by Juliette.
Another interesting thought to which I have a question. Did the scoobies have a plan for taking the offensive if things went south? The reason I ask is if they knew a *pretty please* wasn't going to work with her, then there would have had to have been a plan b to refer to.
Your own words prove my point. You have no clue on how real friends relationships work.
(06-26-2018, 04:37 AM)irukandji Wrote:
(06-25-2018, 01:58 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: Monroe is also the guy who told Nick he wanted him to continue coming to him for help despite being jumped and threatened further just for associating with him.
It may have been foolhardy but Monroe will always defend Rosalee no matter the odds. That has been his character since the start of his romance. He would die, and nearly did, fighting on her behalf. Someone attacking her ranks even higher on his list than someone attacking Nick. Nobody attacks Rosalee and gets away with it as long as he's around. The outcome may not turn out so well but that doesn't change what he would do.
What about Monroe simply preventing his wife from going toward Juliette? Wouldn't that have been a better form of defense rather than letting her charge toward Juliette?
It seems you have no clue about what men will do to protect a loved one. I guess you never had a man to protect you. A real man will still fight for his woman even if he himself is in danger. How could Monro have known what Rosalee was about to to prevent the jar from being dropped to the floor? Did you see the episode where it was explained what "Blutbad" stood for? It translate to "blood bath" not as in your delusional world "mind reader".
(06-26-2018, 04:37 AM)irukandji Wrote:
(06-25-2018, 01:58 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: They don't have to be defenseless against her. They're cops so of course they brought guns. They shouldn't be expected not to defend themselves once something goes wrong. They probably would've done more had it not been Juliette. Being cautious isn't something that should be held against them and we saw that they didn't pull them out until after Rosalee and Monroe were tossed out of the way.
Just because a cop is a cop doesn't mean he can use his gun whenever and wherever he pleases. The thing to consider is what everyone was so outraged about; the fact that Juliette caused the gun to point at Monroe and Rosalee. That's Nick and Hank's fault right there. They weren't on duty to catch some criminal at the spice shop. They were supposed to be helping Juliette. The guns never should have come with them.
Again with the twisting of the time line. Do you read what you post? You have stated you saw Juliette threw Rosalee and Monroe across thee room when one tried to catch a jar and the other responded to her aggression to his wife. Yea, in the USA and Portland Oregon, cops on duty pulled out their guns when a crime is being committed. I don't know where you live but in most of the world, cops pull their gun out when they see an assault being committed. Juliette assaulted the two, that is a CRIME in the USA and in Portland Oregon.
(06-26-2018, 04:37 AM)irukandji Wrote:
(06-25-2018, 01:58 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: We all knew the guns wouldn't work but this happens in a lot of shows including the Gifted. Cops instinctively pull guns even when dealing with someone like Polaris. It also happened in Heroes when an agent pulled a gun on someone who they knew could control people like puppets.
I never understood Nick in this situation. According to what I've read, he adored Juliette. The thought of even pulling a gun on her should have been so repulsive that it would have never been a consideration.
What can I say? Your own words prove your inability to see reality as it unfolded. Your statement would only make sense if Hank and Nick walked up to Juliette and pulled out their guns as she sat on a park bench feeding some birds. But she wasn't. was she? Wasn't she in the spice shop chucking a few of her best friends around? Did you forget she stood next to Rosalee and Monroe's wedding as the "Maid of Honor'? Only a birdbrain would make such a statement after watching the "Spice Shop Scene".
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