(05-26-2018, 05:55 AM)Robyn Wrote: And for a fourth, empathy. Juliette was kidnapped herself and forced into a life she did not want and had no choice in.
Your position on Juliette’s mindset and intent disregards that she willingly participated in kidnapping Diana twice, and concealing Diana’s third kidnapping. While initially kidnapped by HW and forced into submission, by her own words and actions after the stick whammy, Juliette preferred life as an HW operative over her former life with Nick and their friends. That Juliette identified as Eve for a short time is irrelevant to the events, motives, and timeline directly connecting her to Diana’s three kidnappings.
Juliette was Nick’s girlfriend when helping Kelly kidnap Diana in S3, working with Kenneth to achieve revenge when helping kidnap Diana in S4, and an HW operative when helping conceal Diana’s kidnapping in S5. At no time was Juliette confused about what she was doing or why she was doing it.
Juliette participated in the first and second kidnappings, that much is correct.
However, the facts are not quite correct with regard to the third kidnapping. Meisner committed that kidnapping prior to Eve becoming an operative. The series took the position that the kidnapping was to be applauded, as HW saved baby Diana from not only the royals, but BC.
But for this discussion, was it really a kidnapping at that point? Renard asked about Diana's whereabouts and Meisner replied she was with friends. Did Renard voice concern over the Diana's third kidnapping? Did he seem concerned about the baby's welfare? From what I recall, he made no objections.
And what about Eve at this point? Was she a fully working HW operative? From what I recall, she was not. It took weeks of training, beatings, and whatever chemicals HW forced into her in order for her to become Eve. When Meisner headed up HW, I never took him for a man who reveals all to his operatives. Trubel didn't even know the name of the organization and she's already been doing assignments for them. Diana was in a safehouse and her whereabouts had nothing to do with Eve. When exactly would Meisner have done the big reveal to Eve? For what purpose? I can see him revealing that to her when the house was broken into and Diana's "family" was killed. But Diana was gone so what exactly was Eve going to tell Adalind about Diana?
I'm not arguing with you that Eve may have known and didn't immediately go running over to Adalind to reveal all. However, it didn't appear to me that if she knew, Meisner revealed all to her at day one.
The original post regarding the subject:
Quote:But had Nick and Juliette been together at the time, I don’t see Juliette forcing Nick to choose between her and a child he fathered with Adalind. If anything, I’d assume they would just take another baby from Adalind. They gave Renard’s daughter to Nick’s mother, they’d keep Nick’s son for themselves.
Your post seems to indicate that Eve would not force Nick to choose between her and Kelly, but likely she would take the child from Adalind and give Diana to Renard. Wouldn't this be because you're assuming Nick would want it to be so?
What about the scene where Eve confronts Adalind and tells her she will kill her if she hurts Nick? If Eve had known of Diana's whereabouts, wouldn't she be restoring Diana to Adalind because Nick wants it to be so? While not the most diligent in Portland police history, Nick did make an attempt to find Diana.
The argument that she would take Kelly from Adalind just because Nick says it's so holds no merit. Not even the fact that she wanted to continue being an HW operative holds no merit. If that were the case, she'd be plaguing Trubel with questions about how to get back into the fold. While she was visibly upset that HW did not want her, I don't recall Eve hanging about the ruins, wishing for the good old times. She went back with the scoobies and helped them.
In point of fact, while Nick used the stick to heal Eve's wound, he didn't voice any noticeable concern over her, even when she was in the basement doing her symbol thing. It was Adalind who, with Diana, found her, cared for her and befriended her.
If we're to believe Grimm, the stick gave Eve feelings. Those feelings would generate much thought which I believe would prevent Eve from taking baby Kelly from Adalind, even if Nick demanded it.
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