01-04-2019, 03:32 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-04-2019, 04:27 PM by Henry of green.)
(01-04-2019, 01:09 PM)syscrash Wrote:Quote:What plan are you talking about? Yea we all knew the Royals were in Portland to get Diana back. Everyone involved knew that including Nick, the gang and your darling Juliette knew when she repulsed Adalind's attack in her home. Son, even the flocking dog, I do not own, knew they were there to get Diana. I want to know from you, what part of the plan did Kenneth discussed with Adalind.The royals wanting Diana was not the pertinent piece of information. It was that the Royals now knew that Kelly was the key to getting Diana. The key part of them hiding Diana was the deception of who had Diana. Remember even when they found out that Adalind went back to the Royals. Nick was confident that Kelly was ok because Adalind thought Diana was with the resistance.
Was it the plan that even Kenneth didn't even know yet? When Adalind was staying in the hotel suite. Is that the plan you are talking about? The plan that was completely conceived by Juliette. Sure Kenneth gave her the idea to contact Kelly, but he had no clue and neither did Adalind know of Juliette ability to contact her.
Quote: You just admitted with your own words, these Hex's aren't powerful enough to win on their own, a day after you went on a rant on how powerful they are.No where have i ever said hex's could not win on their own. I pointed out logical inconsistencies, but I have always said having magic makes them able to defeat anyone. You sight bonapoart defeating Eve as example of hex weakness. It was not until bonapart used magic was he able to inflict any damage.
Quote:Here you go again debating yourself. Wasn't it you claiming how Juliette could cover her ass easily in the bar or the police station if she chose to do so? You are the one to bring up the Salem witch hunts. I am not an expert on that part of history, but as you just posted, they were burned with less evidence that Juliette would have left or left in the bar.What was used to accuse people of witchcraft then is understood as science now. So yes they was accused on a lot less then what it would take now. Just like Sean who told her to be careful because people can not accept what we are. Is exactly like what henrette said. Both where reminding her of the risk of exposure. That does not mean not to do magic. It means make sure it can't be proven. Example you run a red light. Lots of people saw it. They could yell all they want. But unless someone had physical proof, you would not be found guilty. This is a good example of how we no longer convict on accusation like they did in the witch trials.
Quote:Dicapptore I fully agree, also not only did Adalind have no clue about Kenneth’s plans for Kelly she also even had strong doubts that Kenneth could get Juliette ever betray Nick telling Kenneth that Juliette may have beaten up a few people but she’s never going betray Nick.That was until Kenneth asked her what would Juliette think if she knew Adalind was having Nick baby. It was at that point Adalind left and went to Nick for protection.
You are right she never said evidence. she said be careful they used to burn withes. Can was agree that is a statement warning to not get caught. It is not a statement of don't do it. If we agree it means don't get caught. To get caught it would take evidence. We do not convict on superstition, or accusations. It would take being able to prove something. Proof is evidence. That is not that deep a concept. That the show had Sean tell her the same thing only helps support lthe idea of learning how and when to use her powers. Henrette and Sean both told her she had to learn to control herself. Using her abilities in public is not losing control if no one can prove it was her doing what they saw.
Yes Adalind left because Kenneth made it clear he knew it was Nicks baby and that he was no longer going to protect Adalind from Juliette. Adalind only knew Kenneth was trying to get Juliette to help him find out information on the child’s location. Adalind still had no clue either way whether he could convince her or not. Plus even if he didn’t convince Juliette, Kenneth would still reveal the baby’s true father to Juliette in attempt to get her to help and she’d still want Adalind dead even if she declined Kenneths offer . So either way Adalinds best option was to flee Kenneth’s for Protection as he was no longer willing to give it. So Adalind only knew Kenneth was attempting to get Juliette to join him to find Kelly’s location she knew nothing for certain. Also when Adalind actually found out the Royals had Diana in 4x22 she was totally shocked saying to Nick I thought she was with your mother she was stunned, she clearly didn’t expect Kenneth to succeed if she was so shocked.
Syscrash, I’m afraid we We don’t agree that it means don’t get caught it means don’t lose control, marching into the middle of a police precinct and screaming in front of everyone your going to kill a pregnant woman isn’t keeping control. Even Eve in season 5 a much more controlled Hexenbiest than Juliette made a scene in the restaurant with Nick killing the BC founder his two guards noticed Eve and charged her after they noticed her powers were killing their boss and Nick took care of them causing massive panic in the restraunt, you claiming Juliette could take out another Hexenbiest in the middle of the precinct after threatening to kill her without causing a scene is ludicrous . Season 4 Juliette was never shown to have that kind of control not once, if you can show me one example of Juliette not Eve taking out a person a person in a crowded room with all eyes upon her without causing a scene please show me until then you claiming she was able to do this is just extreme speculation. What was actually shown onscreen and is not speculation was Juliette moving towards Adalind as if she was going to attack her then Nick gets in the way she threatens to rip Adalinds throat out, Juliette says no baby of Adalinds is innocent she only walks away after Wu interrupts them still threatening to get Adalind.
A few days before 4x19 she would have Murderd Adalind if not for a guard preventing it from happening that statue would have ended her life that was clearly shown that’s not speculation, what is baseless speculation is you claiming that she meant for someone to interverne, Juliette wouldn’t have been so horrified in 4x17 when she came to her senses and ran away after trying to killi Adalind if she planned for someone to intervene all along. That scene made it clear Juliette lost control in 4x17 and wanted absolutely to murder Adalind in the heat of the moment and if not for a third party stopping it would have succeeded then she came to her senses and ran, any other speculation is baseless as it was not shown onscreen.
Henrietta coversion below
No! And there's nothing we can do to change that.
I know this is not what you wanna hear.
Not what I wanna hear? Are you kidding? You must learn to control yourself! Now don't forget, they used to burn witches at the stake.
So this is what I am now, forever? There's nothing anyone can do to change that, Juliette.
You have to learn to live with it.
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