(11-29-2020, 03:25 PM)irukandji Wrote:Juliette lost all memory of Nick, and Renard and Juliette became obsessed with each other. How is that failure? If it were not for Rosalee, this would have been a really bad outcome for both Nick, Renard and Juliette. There was, of course, a chance that Juliette would just die, or remain in a coma, but Adalind probably hoped that Renard would try to wake her.(11-29-2020, 03:01 PM)N_grimm Wrote: Adalind did not just place Juliette in a coma, she used the “mind elsewhere”-spell, making Juliette lose all memory of Nick. What would be the point in using that spell if Adalind did not expect her to be awakened? Why not just have Majique (the cat) give Juliette lethal blood poisoning or something? It only makes sense if Adalind expected her to be awakened, so Nick could experience Juliette not remembering him. And Adalind said the only person who could wake her up was Renard. I.e. Adalind was hoping to take revenge on both Nick and Renard.
Wait......are you saying Adalind deliberately set herself up for failure? So it wasn't revenge at all then?
(11-29-2020, 03:59 PM)N_grimm Wrote: Juliette lost all memory of Nick, and Renard and Juliette became obsessed with each other. How is that failure? If it were not for Rosalee, this would have been a really bad outcome for both Nick, Renard and Juliette. There was, of course, a chance that Juliette would just die, or remain in a coma, but Adalind probably hoped that Renard would try to wake her. Adalind really is a dumb bell, isn't she? According to your theory, she's expecting someone to be smart enough to wake Juliette up, but not smart enough to restore her memory? Well, she was dumb enough to try and tangle with Nick on her own, and look where that got her. She can't even get a proper revenge on her own, at least according to your theory.
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(11-29-2020, 04:46 PM)irukandji Wrote:Adalind knew it would create a lot of problems. It was a very lengthy process to get Juliette to remember (too long, if you ask me). Juliette almost left Portland and if I'm not mistaken, she also almost shot Renard - who was going crazy.(11-29-2020, 03:59 PM)N_grimm Wrote: Juliette lost all memory of Nick, and Renard and Juliette became obsessed with each other. How is that failure? If it were not for Rosalee, this would have been a really bad outcome for both Nick, Renard and Juliette. There was, of course, a chance that Juliette would just die, or remain in a coma, but Adalind probably hoped that Renard would try to wake her.
11-29-2020, 05:17 PM
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Adalind likely knew that her mother would know how to wake Juliette from her coma and that it would involve the kiss of a prince (it was probably in the recipe book). So the coma, the memory loss and the compulsive attraction between Renard and Juliette were probably intentional. What Adalind did not know about was Nick having a resource like Rosalee and Monroe to halt Juliette's memory loss, or that he would get the necessary information from them to be able to identify her mother.
(11-29-2020, 05:08 PM)N_grimm Wrote: Adalind knew it would create a lot of problems. It was a very lengthy process to get Juliette to remember (too long, if you ask me). Juliette almost left Portland and if I'm not mistaken, she also almost shot Renard - who was going crazy. I'm sure Adalind knew there would be a lot of problems, *if* all of the elements could come together perfectly to undo what she had done. But, it's a big *if*. There still is no indication that Adalind had anything in mind other than revenge on Nick by harming Juliette. Had Renard not told Adalind Juliette was awake, she would have had no idea if Juliette had lived through the spell or died as the result of it.
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11-29-2020, 08:27 PM
(11-29-2020, 05:17 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: Adalind likely knew that her mother would know how to wake Juliette from her coma and that it would involve the kiss of a prince (it was probably in the recipe book). So the coma, the memory loss and the compulsive attraction between Renard and Juliette were probably intentional. What Adalind did not know about was Nick having a resource like Rosalee and Monroe to halt Juliette's memory loss, or that he would get the necessary information from them to be able to identify her mother. I would say that Adalind knew Catherine would have the knowledge to wake Juliette from the spell. I also agree she probably knew that compulsive attraction was a result, since this spell was designed to permanently unite a prince with his princess. However, Adalind would not know if the spell worked because she hastily went into hiding, not from Renard, but from Nick. Renard was the one who broke the news to her. He could have just as easily told her Juliette was dead. Either way, Adalind got her revenge on Nick. Renard was just an element of the spell, not an object of her revenge.
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11-29-2020, 08:55 PM
Certainly not the primary object. Using Renard as her pawn for a change and making him suffer in the process would have been a bonus.
11-29-2020, 09:05 PM
(11-29-2020, 08:55 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: Certainly not the primary object. Using Renard as her pawn for a change and making him suffer in the process would have been a bonus. But there is an issue here. Up to the point Catherine threw her out of the house, Adalind was never portrayed as resentful of Renard. If resentment was to be a motive here, then Adalind, by all rights, should really be resentful of Catherine. After all, it's Adalind who has to come to the rescue to relieve Catherine of what debt she owed to Renard. All Renard is in this case is the man to whom the debt is owed.
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11-29-2020, 09:22 PM
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The night Adalind lost her powers, both Catherine and Renard rejected her because she was useless to them. She had reason to resent both of them (I would have expected her to resent her mother more than Renard, because mothers just aren't supposed to treat daughters that way, but I'm not a mother or a daughter).
11-29-2020, 10:22 PM
(11-29-2020, 09:22 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: The night Adalind lost her powers, both Catherine and Renard rejected her because she was useless to them. She had reason to resent both of them (I would have expected her to resent her mother more than Renard, because mothers just aren't supposed to treat daughters that way, but I'm not a mother or a daughter). Adalind, in so many words, admitted to Nick that she was useless. She can't be resentful of Renard or Catherine when it was her fault she became useless in the first place.
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