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RE: Why is it that Nick, Hank, and Wu want to work for Renard so badly? - irukandji - 04-20-2019
The only thing that saved Nick, Hank and Wu was when Nick took on Renard's form, abdicated the mayorship, and told the press that Nick and company were on an undercover mission. So, yes, they had Renard in a corner as far as making it appear *they* never really lost their jobs in the first place while at the same time removing him from office. I'm not arguing that. But Renard later told Nick and Hank and Wu that he was in charge of the precinct and if any of them got out of line again, they were out of there. Nick smarted off, but he never once threatened Renard with any type of exposure, should Renard attempt to remove any of them from their jobs.
It's one thing to get their jobs back by way of subterfuge. It's quite another to waltz in carelessly and take up working for the same man who hates his guts.
So what did the series do? Rather than putting into reality the questions of why Nick would work for a man he hated and why Renard didn't use his hatred and make the job hell for Nick and company, the series decided to take the terrible move and force him in to goodguyship. Too bad really.
RE: Why is it that Nick, Hank, and Wu want to work for Renard so badly? - FaceInTheCrowd - 04-20-2019
If you watch the scene where Renard told them that, their reply was, "so, no medals." Not exactly what I would call respectfully accepting his authority. More like, "yeah, sure, we really believe you can do that." Smarting off with impunity when your supposed boss goes off on a tear is all the response needed to make clear that you know he doesn't dare do anything to you.
Yes, they pulled the rug out from under any ongoing conflict between Nick and Renard. They only got a half a season from the network. The unfortunate fallout from an entire season wasted on the BC arc.
RE: Why is it that Nick, Hank, and Wu want to work for Renard so badly? - irukandji - 04-20-2019
(04-20-2019, 12:50 AM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: If you watch the scene where Renard told them that, their reply was, "so, no medals." Not exactly what I would call respectfully accepting his authority. More like, "yeah, sure, we really believe you can do that." Smarting off with impunity when your supposed boss goes off on a tear is all the response needed to make clear that you know he doesn't dare do anything to you.
It was completely out of line for Nick to make such a remark, so it makes no more sense for him to do that than to waltz in amongst accolades either. However, I never took the remark as Nick holding something he could use against Renard whenever he wanted. Nick (as Renard) made a remark in his speech about the team's exemplary service. I took Nick's remark as a throwback to that and nothing more. While Nick was never a well developed character, if he made a threat it was a threat and perceived as such. Renard wasn't threatened as he was already dealing with another yet intelligent and thought provoking storyarc, that of Meisner the ghost.
(04-20-2019, 12:50 AM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: Yes, they pulled the rug out from under any ongoing conflict between Nick and Renard. They only got a half a season from the network. The unfortunate fallout from an entire season wasted on the BC arc.
Indeed.
RE: Why is it that Nick, Hank, and Wu want to work for Renard so badly? - dicappatore - 04-20-2019
I am just spit-balling here but is SOME had the ability to comprehend the differences of someone working "UNDER" Renard, instead of working "FOR" Renard, the thread in question wouldn't exist.
Renard did not hire these 3 cops, they were hired by the PPD and PPD assigned them under the command of Captain Renard!
RE: Why is it that Nick, Hank, and Wu want to work for Renard so badly? - brandon - 04-20-2019
What Nick said to Renad about the medals was not out of praise.
They were seeing what attitude the boss would take after his resignation before the cameras.
RE: Why is it that Nick, Hank, and Wu want to work for Renard so badly? - N_grimm - 04-20-2019
(04-20-2019, 01:05 AM)irukandji Wrote: It was completely out of line for Nick to make such a remark,
Let’s stop there. Are you kidding? Renard joined a terrorist organization, held Nick’s son and girlfriend hostage, and told Nick in the same office a few days earlier that the only way for “true progress” was the killing non-wesen. He tried to bribe Nick to join BC by saying he could have whatever he wanted and when that didn’t work, used the police force in an attempt to kill Nick. So, tell me, how was Nick “completely out of line”? Didn't he show Renard enough respect?
RE: Why is it that Nick, Hank, and Wu want to work for Renard so badly? - irukandji - 04-20-2019
(04-20-2019, 07:37 AM)N_grimm Wrote:(04-20-2019, 01:05 AM)irukandji Wrote: It was completely out of line for Nick to make such a remark,
Let’s stop there. Are you kidding? Renard joined a terrorist organization, held Nick’s son and girlfriend hostage, and told Nick in the same office a few days earlier that the only way for “true progress” was the killing non-wesen. He tried to bribe Nick to join BC by saying he could have whatever he wanted and when that didn’t work, used the police force in an attempt to kill Nick. So, tell me, how was Nick “completely out of line”? Didn't he show Renard enough respect?
Well...let's keep going there for a moment. It was Nick who wanted his job back and wanted to work for Renard. I can't speak for anyone else but most people don't show a smart-assed mouth to a boss who could literally (and within the confines of the profession) make Nick's life on the job a living hell. You can't argue that Nick didn't hate Renard. That is obvious. Likewise, you can't argue that Renard didn't hate Nick. Also obvious.
So you can carry on about what Renard did, but it all comes down to one thing.....Nick works *for* him.
RE: Why is it that Nick, Hank, and Wu want to work for Renard so badly? - N_grimm - 04-20-2019
(04-20-2019, 08:33 AM)irukandji Wrote:(04-20-2019, 07:37 AM)N_grimm Wrote:(04-20-2019, 01:05 AM)irukandji Wrote: It was completely out of line for Nick to make such a remark,
Let’s stop there. Are you kidding? Renard joined a terrorist organization, held Nick’s son and girlfriend hostage, and told Nick in the same office a few days earlier that the only way for “true progress” was the killing non-wesen. He tried to bribe Nick to join BC by saying he could have whatever he wanted and when that didn’t work, used the police force in an attempt to kill Nick. So, tell me, how was Nick “completely out of line”? Didn't he show Renard enough respect?
Well...let's keep going there for a moment. It was Nick who wanted his job back and wanted to work for Renard. I can't speak for anyone else but most people don't show a smart-assed mouth to a boss who could literally (and within the confines of the profession) make Nick's life on the job a living hell. You can't argue that Nick didn't hate Renard. That is obvious. Likewise, you can't argue that Renard didn't hate Nick. Also obvious.
So you can carry on about what Renard did, but it all comes down to one thing.....Nick works *for* him.
No. If Renard didn’t stick to his part of the bargain, Nick would turn into Renard and have him act insane in public (That was the threat). It would mean the end to Renard’s career. Nick had also confiscated Renard's laptop with lots of damaging information on it. Renard was a half- wesen, Nick a wesen killer who had very good reasons to want him dead. If he could not stop Nick with BC on his side, what would make him think he had any change alone? Renard had no clue how Nick killed all the wesen cops in at the loft and just stood up after he was shoot. Nick was also living with the mother of his daughter, who already hated Renard and had the biggest influence on Diana. All she could do was tell Diana how Renard did not lift a finger when Bonaparte choked her. Renard was evil, but not stupid. If he tried to do anything, it would either mean the end to his career or life.
RE: Why is it that Nick, Hank, and Wu want to work for Renard so badly? - FaceInTheCrowd - 04-20-2019
Nick wanted the charges against him dropped in a way that would publicly exonerate him, if not actually benefit him. He wanted Hank and Wu to get their jobs back in the same way. He wanted to end Renard's mayoral ambitions. He wanted Adalind back, which also meant getting enough custody of Diana to satisfy Adalind (I wouldn't go so far as to say Nick actually wanted Diana in his life at first, but she and Adalind were a package). And most of all, he wanted his son back.
Going back to work with Renard as his captain and avoiding contact with him as much as he could (unlike Seasons 1-5, you can count the number of times we saw Renard actually involved with Nick, Hank and Wu on their cases in Season 6 on no fingers) was the compromise Nick had to make to get everything he wanted. Or it was a chance to keep an eye on Renard, with the added bonus of rubbing Renard's defeat in his face every time they caught each other's eye. Probably some of both.
RE: Why is it that Nick, Hank, and Wu want to work for Renard so badly? - irukandji - 04-20-2019
(04-20-2019, 10:10 AM)N_grimm Wrote: No. If Renard didn’t stick to his part of the bargain, Nick would turn into Renard and have him act insane in public (That was the threat).
And yet, once Nick turned into Renard, he could not morph back into his old self. He hated being Renard, so much so, that Monroe made the remark, "If Nick is stuck as the Captain for the rest of his life, he's gonna blow his brains out."
It was a baseless threat because Nick was never going to assume Renard's form again.
Aside from that, if Nick had all of these so called goods on Renard, why not force him out of office permanently?