(07-11-2018, 04:46 PM)syscrash Wrote: What I find interesting about all the answers is, none see Juliettes hesitation as the act of a rational thinker. He was holding a secret that would effect his and her life. Each comment sees it as Juliette rejecting Nick offer of marriage. To me it is one thing to know your spouse is a spy and not know anything about the nature of their missions. It is another to not even know your spouse is a spy until you are in danger. But just like the second time marriage came up, Juliette had to decide did she want to live in constant danger. I would wonder about someone who's answer was based on love, ignoring the danger. If one excepts the danger even if it is because they love them, that is different. That is an informed decision.
To me that is the bottom line about the entire Nick and Juliette proposal. Juliette actions where her wanting to make an informed decision. The comments read as if Juliette should have made an emotional decision. To me emotional decisions are the bases for repeated abuse. The most common answer in abuse cases is "but I love them"

(07-13-2018, 12:21 AM)dicappatore Wrote:

(07-11-2018, 04:46 PM)syscrash Wrote: What I find interesting about all the answers is, none see Juliettes hesitation as the act of a rational thinker. He was holding a secret that would effect his and her life. Each comment sees it as Juliette rejecting Nick offer of marriage. To me it is one thing to know your spouse is a spy and not know anything about the nature of their missions. It is another to not even know your spouse is a spy until you are in danger. But just like the second time marriage came up, Juliette had to decide did she want to live in constant danger. I would wonder about someone who's answer was based on love, ignoring the danger. If one excepts the danger even if it is because they love them, that is different. That is an informed decision.
To me that is the bottom line about the entire Nick and Juliette proposal. Juliette actions where her wanting to make an informed decision. The comments read as if Juliette should have made an emotional decision. To me emotional decisions are the bases for repeated abuse. The most common answer in abuse cases is "but I love them"

Lets talk about rational thinking. Nick wasn't a spy but he was a cop. Cops do not indulge their spouses on all matters of their cases they work on. You marry a detective, you will experience lots of stuff they can't share.

Your example makes no sense what so ever. I could see your argument if they lived apart and would have moved in after the wedding. What would change in her living arrangement if she married. She was living with him years before the proposal and she lived years after it. How would marriage place he in more danger?

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Curios, why is this whole point if Nick never married Adalind? I can see if it is used by eric as a gage in marriage success or failures. According to Kelly, they were still his mom and dad, married or not whiy is it a factor in the Nick and Juliette relationship.

(07-13-2018, 10:49 AM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: Nick sucked at deception. Renard was sweeping his "off the books" activities under the rug as part of his scheme to groom Nick as his personal Grimm, but if Nick had been working under a conventional, by-the-book captain he would probably have been booted off the force before the end of S01. So we never once saw Nick think of telling Juliette that there were aspects of his cases that he couldn't discuss with her because they had to be kept strictly confidential.

There's a contingent of posters who just hate the idea that Nick and Adalind ended up together, so they keep throwing up the belief that their relationship couldn't possibly have worked. Of course, there's another contingent that feels the same way about Nick and Juliette and would be doing the same thing if they had ended up together. And there's probably another contingent that thinks Nick should've ended with nobody. No matter how the series ended, there'd be somebody griping about it.

(07-13-2018, 02:56 PM)dicappatore Wrote: I also saw Nick doing stuff on the edge of being illegal. And anyone with the respect and love for their life partner indulging in such matters, would take that person down with them if they were ever exposed. Something no one ever gave Nick the credit by keeping secrets he was protecting Juliette.

(07-10-2018, 11:46 PM)WispyWillow Wrote: they're the only couple who'd stayed together after a failed proposal. had that ever happened on another show?

(07-13-2018, 03:53 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote:

(07-13-2018, 02:56 PM)dicappatore Wrote: I also saw Nick doing stuff on the edge of being illegal. And anyone with the respect and love for their life partner indulging in such matters, would take that person down with them if they were ever exposed. Something no one ever gave Nick the credit by keeping secrets he was protecting Juliette.

But that's not really something you can tell your partner that you're doing, is it?

(07-13-2018, 06:30 PM)irukandji Wrote:

(07-10-2018, 11:46 PM)WispyWillow Wrote: they're the only couple who'd stayed together after a failed proposal. had that ever happened on another show?

Do you believe people should break up their relationship based on a failed proposal, no matter what the reason for the refusal?