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RE: Hexenbiestdom - Henry of green - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 02:57 AM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: Your original question was based on the premise that the jury saw everything we saw and not on what could be proven in court. Post #587, in case you've forgotten.
IOW, the jury sees all of Adalind's meetings with Renard in which he gave her his instructions, whatever she did to that annoying guy who interrupted one of those meetings, her feeding Hank poisoned cookies, her attempts at extortion, her private conversations with Nick, etc. They would also see the circumstances of Juliette's transformation and her activities as a scoobie prior to that.
So the "criminal record" here is every episode from the first four seasons. And maybe the deleted scenes off the DVDs and YouTube.
Face, if we were to look at both criminal records you would soon discover Adalind is a much less successful killer than Juliette\Eve infact Juliette killed 4 people in the first 12 episodes of season 4 alone, she shots two wesen when rescuing Monroe and blows another’s Brian’s out with hexenbiest powers then kills the council agent is 4x12 and that’s even before she went carzy. Adalind has killed two people the entire series and one is debatable if it was a kill or not. Adalinds first possible kill was the guy she possibly kills outside Renards car in episode in episode 1x02, the second is the verat agent she made shoot himself in season 3 and she even tells Meisner she’s a little rusty as she wasn’t even trying to kill him she was trying to make him drop the gun.
RE: Hexenbiestdom - FaceInTheCrowd - 10-31-2018
That's true enough. Juliette's first four kills are clear instances of self defense, though, so they wouldn't even be up for discussion as far as "charges" go. Her big crime is what happened to Nick's mom.
Eve killed a hell of a lot of people, but how often do you hear of black op govt operatives being charged with anything they do on the job? Not gonna happen.
Adalind's homicide related crimes were her first attempt on Marie and sending the assassin in for the second, successful one, and the guy at the car. Her kills of the verrat by the side of the road and the one in her hotel room were self defense. Plus they were Hundjagers, and when did we ever see a Hundjager that didn't need killing?
RE: Hexenbiestdom - brandon - 10-31-2018
Juliette also give to your neighbors.
I think the "supposed father " was sent by Renard.( 1×2).
RE: Hexenbiestdom - Henry of green - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 08:30 AM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: That's true enough. Juliette's first four kills are clear instances of self defense, though, so they wouldn't even be up for discussion as far as "charges" go. Her big crime is what happened to Nick's mom.
Eve killed a hell of a lot of people, but how often do you hear of black op govt operatives being charged with anything they do on the job? Not gonna happen.
Adalind's homicide related crimes were her first attempt on Marie and sending the assassin in for the second, successful one, and the guy at the car. Her kills of the verrat by the side of the road and the one in her hotel room were self defense. Plus they were Hundjagers, and when did we ever see a Hundjager that didn't need killing?
Face, no one killed Marie her heart give up due to the stress of having cancer and having to figth off the assassins hired by Adalind and Renard they were certainly responsible partly for the stress that killed her but no one killed Marie. Adalind didn’t kill the guy in the hotel that was Diania’s first kill from within the womb, Adalind even tells Miesner after he thanks her she doesn’t think it was her who killed him. Grimm wiki only has Adalind as having two kills the two I mentioned.
RE: Hexenbiestdom - FaceInTheCrowd - 10-31-2018
Any death that occurs during the commission of a crime is a homicide. If you rob someone and he has a stroke and dies, the law says you just committed a homicide even if you never touched him. And if the crime you were trying to commit was that person's murder, you succeeded.
RE: Hexenbiestdom - irukandji - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 08:46 AM)Henry of green Wrote: Face, no one killed Marie her heart give up due to the stress of having to figth off the assassins hired by Adalind and Renard they were certainly responsible partly for the stress that killed her but no one killed Marie.
Whether the assassin beat her up or put a bullet in her, it's murder. Trying to split hairs doesn't make it less so.
By the way, this is coming from a person who's insistent that Juliette murdered Kelly even though there was no evidence to support that.
(10-31-2018, 04:56 AM)brandon Wrote: Well, that idea seemed to be in juliette's mind.
No, that idea was clearly presented on screen.
RE: Hexenbiestdom - brandon - 10-31-2018
I consider that Juliette was the delivery person and complice.
I think she gets more years in prison, if there was a court.
RE: Hexenbiestdom - Henry of green - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 09:14 AM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: Any death that occurs during the commission of a crime is a homicide. If you rob someone and he has a stroke and dies, the law says you just committed a homicide even if you never touched him. And if the crime you were trying to commit was that person's murder, you succeeded.
The same could be said about Juliette picking which niebours would be killed by the verat while the verat loaded guns in the background. Also Juliette did a hell of a lot more than just trick Kelly to town to kidnap Diania, she made sure kellys guard was down fed her false information, that the house was safe to enter, give Kenneth advice not to underestimate Kelly and then sat up stirs and listened to her murder. when she came down stairs Kenneth’s words to Juliette were, we've got her meaning kelly then he pointed at Diania saying we got her suggesting getting Kelly was always part of the plan as well as kidnapping Diania it’s than up to the Jury to decide if they believe Juliette’s I didn’t know they would kill her statment to Nick or not.
RE: Hexenbiestdom - irukandji - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 09:20 AM)brandon Wrote: I consider that Juliette was the delivery person and complice.
I think she gets more years in prison, if there was a court.
And what about Adalind and Renard? Are they also the delivery persons in the case of Marie?
RE: Hexenbiestdom - Henry of green - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 09:15 AM)irukandji Wrote:(10-31-2018, 08:46 AM)Henry of green Wrote: Face, no one killed Marie her heart give up due to the stress of having to figth off the assassins hired by Adalind and Renard they were certainly responsible partly for the stress that killed her but no one killed Marie.
Whether the assassin beat her up or put a bullet in her, it's murder. Trying to split hairs doesn't make it less so.
By the way, this is coming from a person who's insistent that Juliette murdered Kelly even though there was no evidence to support that.
(10-31-2018, 04:56 AM)brandon Wrote: Well, that idea seemed to be in juliette's mind.
No, that idea was clearly presented on screen.
I’ve never once stated that Juliette killed kelly, I just stated she was involved whether she meant to or not it doesn’t matter, just like Adalind was involved in the event that caused Marie’s death but neither woman directly killed Marie or Kelly, so please get your facts right before posting.