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RE: How could a Grimm deal with hexen/zauberbiest telekinetic abilities? - dicappatore - 01-26-2018
(01-26-2018, 07:20 PM)syscrash Wrote:Quote:All hexs in this show , except for Adeline, had their own book,In season 1 episode 15 Island of dreams episode. You see her book open on the counter as she is reading how to do the spell. While baking the cookies.
Quote:Her cell is lacking in storage space.We see her open a hidden compartment in the back of her closet. In there is a hat, book, and pot.
Quote: she has the hat and the pot previously used by Adalind and Elizabeth. How much of a stretch is that she got them from the spice shop?The last we saw the hat and pot was when they made the suppression. That was in S4 E20 in S4 E22 there was the fight in the spice shop. So exactly when would she have had the opportunity to get things from the spice shop.
Quote:The actress playing Juliette was, now engaged, in real life, to the actor playing the main character that the whole show revolved around. which was Nick. No matter how much some can post about him and the actor playing him, he was the main man.You have very romantic notions about the industry. David or Bitsie are not big enough to exert that much power. Remember you are talking about a company that is managing millions of dollars. I was making the speculation that Bitsie would be back for contractual reasons. Prior to her dying on the show. It was announced they had renewed their contacts of multiple years. Remember this is a multi million dollar business, that trumps relationship. The thing that drives a show is ratings. ratings are driven by what other shows are doing. That is why if one show does something and ratings increase. Then other will follow suite.
We see Adalind go to a storage locker to look over her mothers stuff she left behind. That is where she gets her hat and pot from.
Do we see any of those items sold in the spice shop? Where did Elizabeth get hers from? Where did Juliette get hers from? Can you show script dialogue of scenes where these supplies were sold or stolen from?
To be a BS artist is a character flaw. To believe in your own BS? That is confabulation. Get help.
RE: How could a Grimm deal with hexen/zauberbiest telekinetic abilities? - syscrash - 01-26-2018
Quote:We see Adalind go to a storage locker to look over her mothers stuff she left behind. That is where she gets her hat and pot from.We saw Adalind with her book baking the cookies. There was never anything said or shown where she got it. The same with the cat scratch potion. she took the bottle from a box, with not mention where she got it. You then have Adalind mother seeming to know what was used and was able to crate an antidote.
Do we see any of those items sold in the spice shop? Where did Elizabeth get hers from? Where did Juliette get hers from? Can you show script dialogue of scenes where these supplies were sold or stolen from?
To be a BS artist is a character flaw. To believe in your own BS? That is confabulation. Get help.
Yes we saw Adalind get her moms book and the hat from her moms storage unit. But no where does it say where her mom got them. The best we know is Elizabeth comments on the hat being of very fine quality. That could indicate that those type of hats are not unique. But since the only other hat we have seen is the one Eve is using, but we have no idea if it was the same hat. You are right we do not know for a fact that more then one hat exist.
The discussion is if there is only one hat then how did it get from the spice shop where we saw it being used for the suppression potion to HW where Eve was using one to change in to Sean. The pot is common while Adalind was using her mothers we saw Rosalee using one. We saw Rosalee had ingredients that a hexenbiest uses. But no we never saw the spice shop have hexenbiest tools.
considering that there is more then one set of Grimm books. Why would there not be more then one set of hexenbiest books. We also saw more then one set of Grimm weapons, so why would there not be more then one set of hexenbiest tools including pots and hats.
Quote:Do we see any of those items sold in the spice shop? Where did Elizabeth get hers from? Where did Juliette get hers from? Can you show script dialogue of scenes where these supplies were sold or stolen from?This position makes no since, because looking at Grimm weapons there is more then one set. Yet we have seen no suppliers. So why is not seeing hexenbiest suppliers a problem.
RE: How could a Grimm deal with hexen/zauberbiest telekinetic abilities? - dicappatore - 01-26-2018
(01-26-2018, 09:51 PM)syscrash Wrote:Quote:We see Adalind go to a storage locker to look over her mothers stuff she left behind. That is where she gets her hat and pot from.We saw Adalind with her book baking the cookies. There was never anything said or shown where she got it. The same with the cat scratch potion. she took the bottle from a box, with not mention where she got it. You then have Adalind mother seeming to know what was used and was able to crate an antidote.
Do we see any of those items sold in the spice shop? Where did Elizabeth get hers from? Where did Juliette get hers from? Can you show script dialogue of scenes where these supplies were sold or stolen from?
To be a BS artist is a character flaw. To believe in your own BS? That is confabulation. Get help.
Yes we saw Adalind get her moms book and the hat from her moms storage unit. But no where does it say where her mom got them. The best we know is Elizabeth comments on the hat being of very fine quality. That could indicate that those type of hats are not unique. But since the only other hat we have seen is the one Eve is using, but we have no idea if it was the same hat. You are right we do not know for a fact that more then one hat exist.
The discussion is if there is only one hat then how did it get from the spice shop where we saw it being used for the suppression potion to HW where Eve was using one to change in to Sean. The pot is common while Adalind was using her mothers we saw Rosalee using one. We saw Rosalee had ingredients that a hexenbiest uses. But no we never saw the spice shop have hexenbiest tools.
considering that there is more then one set of Grimm books. Why would there not be more then one set of hexenbiest books. We also saw more then one set of Grimm weapons, so why would there not be more then one set of hexenbiest tools including pots and hats.
Quote:Do we see any of those items sold in the spice shop? Where did Elizabeth get hers from? Where did Juliette get hers from? Can you show script dialogue of scenes where these supplies were sold or stolen from?This position makes no since, because looking at Grimm weapons there is more then one set. Yet we have seen no suppliers. So why is not seeing hexenbiest suppliers a problem.
Just more facts you deny and make up stuff to be replace facts that did not occur. FACTS, We do see where the additional books and weapons come from. They came from Rolox, just before he died and from Europe through Monroe's uncle. In your world, a fine hat that is very old is common. They are found all over the place, as opposed to an ordinary ones?
As you also agreed, we saw where Adalind got her stuff. To question where Catherine got them does not conclude Juliette got them from the same place. Is there a scene that you saw Juliette ask Adalind, Rosalee, Monroe or any other person to ask where to buy Hexenbiests supplies? Where do you see Juliette get them except in your delusional mind. OMG, do you read your own post?
Hey, I solved it. When Juliette became a Hex from becoming Adalind, she got Adalind's and her mothers memories, that's how she knew where to get Hex supplies. See, I can bull crap even better that you. At least my bull crap is more believable than yours. The differences I don't believe mines and I don't use it to justify an argument.
RE: How could a Grimm deal with hexen/zauberbiest telekinetic abilities? - syscrash - 01-27-2018
The original question was did Eve have the same hat and book that we already knew about. or did she have a second hat and book. If it was the same hat and book the question was how could she have got it from the spice shop.
Seeing as how it is not practical for her to have got the one from the spice shop. Unless she broke in and stole it. That leaves the assumption that she was using a second hat and book. If she had a second book where it came from was not the question. I made a facetious comment that she ordered it off of amazon or Ebay.
of all the grimm things, we knew who had them before Nick. But we have no idea where they came from. Someone had to make them. As fare as being common or rare. Why would the witches hat be anymore common or rarer then any of the grimm weapons. You made the comment of asking to state where they mention a hexenbiest store. I would then say point to where there say there is a Grimm store.
According to the show the hat and book just like the Grimm books and weapons are passed down from generation to generation. But just like with Monroe uncle These line of transfer can end and the objects end up available on the open market. Something Monroe was worried about because the public would not know what they had.
Logic says getting a conical hat would not be that hard. There is nothing special about it that a haberdashery could not make one. Since magic does not actual exist. We would have to refer to other science fiction shows to know that and object is not made magical. It is infused with magic. Another way is to have it made with magical components. Such as say it is made with unicorn hide.
RE: How could a Grimm deal with hexen/zauberbiest telekinetic abilities? - dicappatore - 01-27-2018
(01-27-2018, 12:43 AM)syscrash Wrote: The original question was did Eve have the same hat and book that we already knew about. or did she have a second hat and book. If it was the same hat and book the question was how could she have got it from the spice shop.
Seeing as how it is not practical for her to have got the one from the spice shop. Unless she broke in and stole it. That leaves the assumption that she was using a second hat and book. If she had a second book where it came from was not the question. I made a facetious comment that she ordered it off of amazon or Ebay.
of all the grimm things, we knew who had them before Nick. But we have no idea where they came from. Someone had to make them. As fare as being common or rare. Why would the witches hat be anymore common or rarer then any of the grimm weapons. You made the comment of asking to state where they mention a hexenbiest store. I would then say point to where there say there is a Grimm store.
According to the show the hat and book just like the Grimm books and weapons are passed down from generation to generation. But just like with Monroe uncle These line of transfer can end and the objects end up available on the open market. Something Monroe was worried about because the public would not know what they had.
Logic says getting a conical hat would not be that hard. There is nothing special about it that a haberdashery could not make one. Since magic does not actual exist. We would have to refer to other science fiction shows to know that and object is not made magical. It is infused with magic. Another way is to have it made with magical components. Such as say it is made with unicorn hide.
Ok, so lets say there was a second set or a third of those items, how does that add, change, steer the narrative of the ending. How does that factor contribute to the story, except that they were used to make potions. Do the items change the effectiveness of those brews? Is the possession of a second set get someone killed? Another words, WTF is the difference?
RE: How could a Grimm deal with hexen/zauberbiest telekinetic abilities? - syscrash - 01-27-2018
Quote:Ok, so lets say there was a second set or a third of those items, how does that add, change, steer the narrative of the ending. How does that factor contribute to the story, except that they were used to make potions. Do the items change the effectiveness of those brews? Is the possession of a second set get someone killed? Another words, WTF is the difference?That question makes as much since as, would the hat be as effective if it was brown instead of black. The original question was an exercise in trying to conceive a logical explanation for Eve having a hat and book at HW.
From the story stand point it makes no difference. Actually they could have had Eve breath from a steaming tea kettle. It would not have changed anything. The only thing Eve having a hat, Book, and pot did, was to symbolically signal that Eve was a fully fledged hexenbiest. It is like any tradesman you are not a professional until you have your own set of tools. That does not mean without these things she is any less of a hexnebiest. But for the show it signified that her transformation was complete.
RE: How could a Grimm deal with hexen/zauberbiest telekinetic abilities? - dicappatore - 01-27-2018
(01-27-2018, 02:21 AM)syscrash Wrote:Quote:Ok, so lets say there was a second set or a third of those items, how does that add, change, steer the narrative of the ending. How does that factor contribute to the story, except that they were used to make potions. Do the items change the effectiveness of those brews? Is the possession of a second set get someone killed? Another words, WTF is the difference?That question makes as much since as, would the hat be as effective if it was brown instead of black. The original question was an exercise in trying to conceive a logical explanation for Eve having a hat and book at HW.
From the story stand point it makes no difference. Actually they could have had Eve breath from a steaming tea kettle. It would not have changed anything. The only thing Eve having a hat, Book, and pot did, was to symbolically signal that Eve was a fully fledged hexenbiest. It is like any tradesman you are not a professional until you have your own set of tools. That does not mean without these things she is any less of a hexnebiest. But for the show it signified that her transformation was complete.
I think her transformation into a Hex was complete when she saved the gang from the trap BC set up, which included Sean, before he became their boy-toy. But, her transformation did not come with Hexenbiest knowledge that matched any of the other Hex's, including Adalind by how many Hexenbiests trinkets she possessed.
Given the time frame from the time Kelly senior was killed, to the time she saves the gang. Using the birth and age of baby Kelly. We can easily assess the time span was a year or less. I don't care how smart Juliette was or how many scholastic degrees she had, how much Hexenbiests knowledge do you think she had accumulated in that much time? Even by S6, Adalind could clean her clocks. When it came to "Hexenbiests know-how"? Juliette was still an amateur.
But I can guarantee, someone will come up with some cockamamie explanation that she was a Hexenbiest knowledge genius even if, I am off by the time span and add one more year to it. Better yet, Using Baby Kelly's age is wrong because he was growing slower that normal. "Yea, thats the ticket, Yea"! I just can't wait for the reply to this.
RE: How could a Grimm deal with hexen/zauberbiest telekinetic abilities? - brandon - 01-27-2018
All "Hexenbiest" can create spells ,maybe the spell are very strong depending on how much training they have received and the level they have reached.
RE: How could a Grimm deal with hexen/zauberbiest telekinetic abilities? - Henry of green - 01-27-2018
(01-27-2018, 05:36 AM)dicappatore Wrote:(01-27-2018, 02:21 AM)syscrash Wrote:Quote:Ok, so lets say there was a second set or a third of those items, how does that add, change, steer the narrative of the ending. How does that factor contribute to the story, except that they were used to make potions. Do the items change the effectiveness of those brews? Is the possession of a second set get someone killed? Another words, WTF is the difference?That question makes as much since as, would the hat be as effective if it was brown instead of black. The original question was an exercise in trying to conceive a logical explanation for Eve having a hat and book at HW.
From the story stand point it makes no difference. Actually they could have had Eve breath from a steaming tea kettle. It would not have changed anything. The only thing Eve having a hat, Book, and pot did, was to symbolically signal that Eve was a fully fledged hexenbiest. It is like any tradesman you are not a professional until you have your own set of tools. That does not mean without these things she is any less of a hexnebiest. But for the show it signified that her transformation was complete.
I think her transformation into a Hex was complete when she saved the gang from the trap BC set up, which included Sean, before he became their boy-toy. But, her transformation did not come with Hexenbiest knowledge that matched any of the other Hex's, including Adalind by how many Hexenbiests trinkets she possessed.
Given the time frame from the time Kelly senior was killed, to the time she saves the gang. Using the birth and age of baby Kelly. We can easily assess the time span was a year or less. I don't care how smart Juliette was or how many scholastic degrees she had, how much Hexenbiests knowledge do you think she had accumulated in that much time? Even by S6, Adalind could clean her clocks. When it came to "Hexenbiests know-how"? Juliette was still an amateur.
But I can guarantee, someone will come up with some cockamamie explanation that she was a Hexenbiest knowledge genius even if, I am off by the time span and add one more year to it. Better yet, Using Baby Kelly's age is wrong because he was growing slower that normal. "Yea, thats the ticket, Yea"! I just can't wait for the reply to this.
Totally agree from Kelly’s death until Eve rescues the gang in 5x06 is 6 or 7 months tops, also Adalind showed many times she knew more about spells than Eve ever could, Eve even addmitted in season 6 that Adalind knew far more about the spell Nick used to turn into Renard than she did. She also admitted Kathrine Schade knew far more about spells than ether one of them and Adalind was raised by Katherine
RE: How could a Grimm deal with hexen/zauberbiest telekinetic abilities? - syscrash - 01-27-2018
Quote:But I can guarantee, someone will come up with some cockamamie explanation that she was a Hexenbiest knowledge genius even if, I am off by the time span and add one more year to it. Better yet, Using Baby Kelly's age is wrong because he was growing slower that normal. "Yea, thats the ticket, Yea"! I just can't wait for the reply to this.Not sure if you would call it a cockamamie explanation, but your logic falls flat when you consider Diana. She was moving things, bending things, and creating complicated illusions as a new born. Now she is able to do magic from her astro projected self.
As for spells. Even though Eve suggested asking Adalind about how to break the spell when Nick became Sean. She did not have the answer. Even when Eve was asking Adadlind about the books she got from her she did not have answers. To which Eve said she would figure it out.
The one that was knowledgeable was Rosalee. She always knew where to find the solution to what every problem they ran into. Rosalee crated the antidote to the cookies. She created the antidote to stop the memory loss. It took Elizabeth to reverse taking Nicks powers.
The age of the kids is no gauge of time. Again Diana ruined that idea. Then there is Kelly, all the way to the end Kelly was still in a carrier. Once a kids starts crawling and climbing they will not stay in a carrier. Lets compare the two. the end of season 4 Diana was a little girl no more the 5 or 6 during that same time Adalind was having Kelly. The next time we see Diana she is at least 11 yet Kelly is still in a Carrier. Proof using the age of the kids makes no sense.
Quote:Adalind showed many times she knew more about spells than Eve ever could, Eve even addmitted in season 6 that Adalind knew far more about the spell Nick used to turn into Renard than she did.Adalind did the cookies. The cat scratch came from a bottle that was in a box. The transformation Adalind did it once with side effects. Eve did it three times with no side effects. Yes Eve suggested asking Adadlind how to change Nick back. But Adalind did not know. Adalind said her mother know more about the book then she did. But we also saw the Eve figured it out with no help. She figured out the one book you have to shake it. The other she figured out she had to woge to open it. She was also able to read all the books. When she asked Adalind about blood magic, Adalind did not have the answer. This makes me wonder what exactly makes Adalind more knowledgeable then Eve. I will admit Adalind was able to do the suppression potion from memory. But Eve showed much more control then Adalind ever did.