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RE: Can Humanity handled the existence of Wesen? - jsgrimm45 - 08-07-2017
In a fantasy world of Grimm the writers may have been able to make it work. If we are asking the question for the real world no way.
RE: Can Humanity handled the existence of Wesen? - FaceInTheCrowd - 08-08-2017
Humans already have a hard enough tine tolerating other humans who they perceive as "different." Wesen were smart to remain in the shadows and "pass."
RE: Can Humanity handled the existence of Wesen? - Robyn - 08-09-2017
I’m with FitC on this one. The human species instinctively suspects, fears, and retaliates when anyone or anything threatens the established norm. However, it’s one thing to learn and witness the existence of Wesen in a controlled environment and entirely another to confront a woged Wesen in a dark and isolated parking lot.
The writers suddenly making human/Wesen cohabitation feasible would have directly contradicted the show’s underlying - albeit unexplained - theme, which was best summed up by Renard’s response to Wu questioning the percentage of Wesen crime in Portland in the ‘Mishipeshu’ episode: "In one way or another, most crime in most places is Wesen related." But the writers didn’t seem to worry about contradicting their own established cannon or sidestepping explanation.
Wesen crime/violence had to sufficiently justify the necessity for Grimm, specifically, Nick in Portland. But how local police survived before Nick took charge of the overly abundant bizarre cases remained a mystery. Because really, if most crimes and attempted arrests involved vicious, animal-like assailants wouldn’t the result be a full scale investigation into Portland’s extreme number of attacks by unidentified deadly wildlife?
RE: Can Humanity handled the existence of Wesen? - dicappatore - 08-09-2017
(08-09-2017, 06:36 AM)Robyn Wrote: The writers suddenly making human/Wesen cohabitation feasible would have directly contradicted the show’s underlying - albeit unexplained - theme, which was best summed up by Renard’s response to Wu questioning the percentage of Wesen crime in Portland in the ‘Mishipeshu’ episode: "In one way or another, most crime in most places is Wesen related." But the writers didn’t seem to worry about contradicting their own established cannon or sidestepping explanation.
Wesen crime/violence had to sufficiently justify the necessity for Grimm, specifically, Nick in Portland. But how local police survived before Nick took charge of the overly abundant bizarre cases remained a mystery. Because really, if most crimes and attempted arrests involved vicious, animal-like assailants wouldn’t the result be a full scale investigation into Portland’s extreme number of attacks by unidentified deadly wildlife?
IMO, The Wesen crime statistics were not known before Nick, as a Grimm, showed up because of the lack of knowledge of Wesen existence. The few that were possibly a bit suspicious would have been swept under the rug by our favorite police captain Renard. I do recall in more than a few occasions where he was consulted and approved on editing reports
Maybe in a city like LA or NYC, police captains are a dime a dozen, but in a small city like Portland they are a powerful figure. As I recall, he was a Police Captain of one of the 2 or 3 only precincts in the mix.
RE: Can Humanity handled the existence of Wesen? - eric - 08-09-2017
Most of the wessen we have seen were normal citizens in noncriminal jobs. Lawyer(Three Bears), appliance repairmen, counselors, clock repair, doctors, bakers, and many not listed because it wasn't needed for the story. Assuming the royals are not wessen, how would Renard know the number of wessen related crimes in Portland? When Nick and Hank went to the prison, some but not a majority woged when they saw him. The high school turtle-lion mix was confronted by a pair of non-wessen in the prison-their mistake. There does appear to be a high percentage of wessen in the law enforcement community-federal judge, FBI, police of all ranks, probation officer, staff in juvenile reformatory jobs(we saw two). Renard did not know most of them were wessen- maybe if he had, he would have advised Wu to watch his back at work.
RE: Can Humanity handled the existence of Wesen? - dicappatore - 08-09-2017
(08-09-2017, 07:31 AM)eric Wrote: Most of the wessen we have seen were normal citizens in noncriminal jobs. Lawyer(Three Bears), appliance repairmen, counselors, clock repair, doctors, bakers, and many not listed because it wasn't needed for the story. Assuming the royals are not wessen, how would Renard know the number of wessen related crimes in Portland? When Nick and Hank went to the prison, some but not a majority woged when they saw him. The high school turtle-lion mix was confronted by a pair of non-wessen in the prison-their mistake. There does appear to be a high percentage of wessen in the law enforcement community-federal judge, FBI, police of all ranks, probation officer, staff in juvenile reformatory jobs(we saw two). Renard did not know most of them were wessen- maybe if he had, he would have advised Wu to watch his back at work.
FYI eric, but Renard and the rest of the Royals were to blame for a nice chunk of the Wesen crime wave in Portland. Including the numbers Nick had to kill because of them. How many Portlandians were killed just by Eric and Kenneth's hands? Once the BC gang he joined up with started to take over, it was all Wesen, mayor, judges, lawyers and cops just to name a few.
You listed lots of Wesen’s with regular jobs. Yea they had lots of them regular jobs. How else were they be able to blend? What you forget to mention is, most of them were crooked. Given the respect to human life by Kenneth wiping out a whole neighborhood and BC killing Hank’s neighbor to make up a false witness doesn’t give me much hope of Wesen innocence.
The same reasoning you are using for the unknown numbers of Wesen were law abiding citizens you can use for how many were criminals. In the real world and in any given city, we only know of the crime that is committed by what the authorities catch with convictions. The reality of how much crime is committed at any given city is actually never known.
RE: Can Humanity handled the existence of Wesen? - eric - 08-09-2017
Dicappatore, I would agree that Kenneth and the other royals are a blood thirsty lot, but I think the general agreement is while they are not wessen, they employ some wessen to reach their goals. We don't know how many non-wesen they use for all their other activities. IMO to say all, or many, of any ethnic or social group as dangerous law breakers is not true. I don't know your background, but Italians, Irish, Jewish, German, Scott-Irish, Mexican, blacks, people who ride Harleys, have all had bad press in this country for their drug use(alcohol is a drug), crime infested gangs, preying on good citizens, etc, even if most are just trying to make an honest living and raise a family. The wessen wedding guests were from all groups, who could be expected not to try to kill any of the other--of course, a wessen was a different matter.
RE: Can Humanity handled the existence of Wesen? - FaceInTheCrowd - 08-09-2017
Renard's position in the PPB was grossly inflated for television. Portland's three precincts have more than a dozen captains in charge of various divisions. The captains report to commanders, who in turn report to assistant chiefs under the chief and commissioner, who is also the mayor. The idea of a captain being prominent enough to run for mayor or even hold a press conference, is total fiction. If Portlanders ever hear a PPB Captain's name in the news, it's usually bad news for the captain.
And anything Renard ever told Nick, I would take with many grains of salt.
RE: Can Humanity handled the existence of Wesen? - Robyn - 08-10-2017
(08-09-2017, 06:57 AM)dicappatore Wrote: IMO, The Wesen crime statistics were not known before Nick, as a Grimm, showed up because of the lack of knowledge of Wesen existence. The few that were possibly a bit suspicious would have been swept under the rug by our favorite police captain Renard. I do recall in more than a few occasions where he was consulted and approved on editing reports
Maybe in a city like LA or NYC, police captains are a dime a dozen, but in a small city like Portland they are a powerful figure. As I recall, he was a Police Captain of one of the 2 or 3 only precincts in the mix.
IIRC the number of strange and unexplained animal attacks was referenced at least in the beginning. If so, before Nick became a Grimm he believed Portland was a hotbed for strange, unexplained animal attacks and criminal activity in general, and while still out of the loop, Hank and Wu continued to believe that. But once all were in the know, Nick and Hank were constantly working Wesen cases which allows the assumption that there was an abundance of Wesen related crime before Nick became a Grimm.
Was local police solving these Wesen related crimes and making arrests without the benefit of a Grimm? Or did G & K set their Grimm/Wesen stories inside a petri dish where they would be unencumbered by expected reactions to such a hotbed of activity, and we simply accepted that everyone up the chain of command, local news, newspapers, etc. ignored Portland’s strange, unexplained animal attacks and criminal activity?
RE: Can Humanity handled the existence of Wesen? - FaceInTheCrowd - 08-10-2017
The series explanation is essentially that wesen who were cornered by police mostly refrained from using their woge to escape or take on the police, because if they did they could expect the Wesen Council to send an enforcer to kill them, and they were more afraid of that than they were of prison time. So there may have been a larger number of "animal incidents" in Portland than in the average city of its size (which could be explained by the fact that Portland has preserved a lot of wild space with coyotes and the occasional cougar, lynx or bobcat within its boundaries), but not a significant number of unexplained police casualties from animal attacks. And the amount of crime that can exist in a city, regardless of who the criminals are, is always going to be limited to what the citizenry will tolerate before agreeing to pay the necessary taxes to put more police on the streets.