(07-27-2017, 09:06 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: The some of the posts in the cancer thread raise this question. Should we look at Grimms and wesen as predator and prey type relationship? IMO no but that doesn't stop me from asking the forum. We know in any ecosystem there is a balance between predator and prey remove the predator and what was the prey than in and of itself cause a breakdown of the ecosystem.

Yes and know that putting humans, Grimms, and wesen in an ecosystem is a little out there. We know that all wesen fear Grimms but wouldn't it be most likely that the predator type wesen would be the most likely target of Grimm's? In the episode about a Mausherz Nick had nothing in the books on this wesen and Monroe told him why, because the never did anything to get into the books.

So as a question does this question even apply a Grimm, or not. We know that the reapers were out to get Grimms but not as to why is just because they are Grimms' or is there something else?

(07-27-2017, 10:32 AM)dicappatore Wrote:

(07-27-2017, 09:06 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: The some of the posts in the cancer thread raise this question. Should we look at Grimms and wesen as predator and prey type relationship? IMO no but that doesn't stop me from asking the forum. We know in any ecosystem there is a balance between predator and prey remove the predator and what was the prey than in and of itself cause a breakdown of the ecosystem.

Yes and know that putting humans, Grimms, and wesen in an ecosystem is a little out there. We know that all wesen fear Grimms but wouldn't it be most likely that the predator type wesen would be the most likely target of Grimm's? In the episode about a Mausherz Nick had nothing in the books on this wesen and Monroe told him why, because the never did anything to get into the books.

So as a question does this question even apply a Grimm, or not. We know that the reapers were out to get Grimms but not as to why is just because they are Grimms' or is there something else?

The writers never go into details about the ecosystem you brought up. IMO, Grimms are not just humans that can perceive when Wesen voge. They are also natural born fighters. Trubel is a great example of the Grimm I am talking about.

Last time I looked, the foster home system does not include combat/martial arts training. Maybe you do learn to be self-sufficient and able to stand up for yourself. But her ability to fight off two bad Wesen that were looking to rape her is enough proof for me to back up my theory. Grimms are natural born fighters.

BTW, in reference to other threads. That scene is evident of the presence of just evil Wesen do exist and that Wesen do and are capable to intermix with non-Wesen,

(07-27-2017, 09:06 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: The some of the posts in the cancer thread raise this question. Should we look at Grimms and wesen as predator and prey type relationship? IMO no but that doesn't stop me from asking the forum. We know in any ecosystem there is a balance between predator and prey remove the predator and what was the prey than in and of itself cause a breakdown of the ecosystem.

(07-27-2017, 12:01 PM)eric Wrote: IMO Grimms are more like sheep dogs that protect the flock(humans) from the predators(violent wessen).

jsgrimm45 Wrote:We know that all wesen fear Grimms but wouldn't it be most likely that the predator type wesen would be the most likely target of Grimm's?

(07-27-2017, 07:17 PM)Devegs Wrote:

(07-27-2017, 09:06 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: The some of the posts in the cancer thread raise this question. Should we look at Grimms and wesen as predator and prey type relationship? IMO no but that doesn't stop me from asking the forum. We know in any ecosystem there is a balance between predator and prey remove the predator and what was the prey than in and of itself cause a breakdown of the ecosystem.

I didn't see the relationship between grimms and wesen as simply one of predator & prey. Sometimes it was predator/prey. Sometimes it was one of enforcing boundaries between wesen and humans to protect humans. Sometimes they were necessary allies. Nick also protected innocent weaker wesen from bad villainous or vicious wesen. From my own perspective, since grimms know wesen exist in the same environment as humans, grimms function more to keep wesen within certain boundaries. Somewhat similar to Eric's point

(07-27-2017, 12:01 PM)eric Wrote: IMO Grimms are more like sheep dogs that protect the flock(humans) from the predators(violent wessen).

However, wesen also had their wesen code that they usually kept voluntarily to keep boundaries between themselves (their world) and humans. Thereby protecting humans since neither regular humans or nor grimms made them come up with this code. They also enforced boundaries among themselves and were territorial. They had predator/prey relationships among themselves. Just like they had predator/prey relationships with humans. Coyotl and Blutbads (those I remember off the top of my head) hunt or used to hunt humans.

jsgrimm45 Wrote:We know that all wesen fear Grimms but wouldn't it be most likely that the predator type wesen would be the most likely target of Grimm's?

For what I recall as well, not all wesen feared grimms. Some wesen felt capable of taking on grimms. The Nuckelavee and Mauvais Dentes felt capable of taking on a grimm. The Dämonfeuers (father and dauther) did not feel not threatened by Nick. IIRC, any wesen (type) that killed a grimm could become a grimm reaper, I believe. That's also why I do not see the grimm-wesen relationship as simply one of predator and prey.

From my perspective, some wesen (usually a predator type wesen) considered themselves physically matched to take on grimms, or grimm hunters. Just like they would consider themselves hunters of other wesen and humans. Thus, I also agree that the predator type wesen would typically be the target of grimms. They usually were Nick's targets as well when Nick had to step in as cop and a different type of grimm since they also targeted weaker wesen.

(07-27-2017, 07:59 PM)dicappatore Wrote:

(07-27-2017, 07:17 PM)Devegs Wrote:

(07-27-2017, 09:06 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: The some of the posts in the cancer thread raise this question. Should we look at Grimms and wesen as predator and prey type relationship? IMO no but that doesn't stop me from asking the forum. We know in any ecosystem there is a balance between predator and prey remove the predator and what was the prey than in and of itself cause a breakdown of the ecosystem.

I didn't see the relationship between grimms and wesen as simply one of predator & prey. Sometimes it was predator/prey. Sometimes it was one of enforcing boundaries between wesen and humans to protect humans. Sometimes they were necessary allies. Nick also protected innocent weaker wesen from bad villainous or vicious wesen. From my own perspective, since grimms know wesen exist in the same environment as humans, grimms function more to keep wesen within certain boundaries. Somewhat similar to Eric's point

(07-27-2017, 12:01 PM)eric Wrote: IMO Grimms are more like sheep dogs that protect the flock(humans) from the predators(violent wessen).

However, wesen also had their wesen code that they usually kept voluntarily to keep boundaries between themselves (their world) and humans. Thereby protecting humans since neither regular humans or nor grimms made them come up with this code. They also enforced boundaries among themselves and were territorial. They had predator/prey relationships among themselves. Just like they had predator/prey relationships with humans. Coyotl and Blutbads (those I remember off the top of my head) hunt or used to hunt humans.

jsgrimm45 Wrote:We know that all wesen fear Grimms but wouldn't it be most likely that the predator type wesen would be the most likely target of Grimm's?

For what I recall as well, not all wesen feared grimms. Some wesen felt capable of taking on grimms. The Nuckelavee and Mauvais Dentes felt capable of taking on a grimm. The Dämonfeuers (father and dauther) did not feel not threatened by Nick. IIRC, any wesen (type) that killed a grimm could become a grimm reaper, I believe. That's also why I do not see the grimm-wesen relationship as simply one of predator and prey.

From my perspective, some wesen (usually a predator type wesen) considered themselves physically matched to take on grimms, or grimm hunters. Just like they would consider themselves hunters of other wesen and humans. Thus, I also agree that the predator type wesen would typically be the target of grimms. They usually were Nick's targets as well when Nick had to step in as cop and a different type of grimm since they also targeted weaker wesen.

As I posted on other threads. Do not forget the Wesen Council. They played a large role on maintaining some type of strategic control on the Wesen world.

(07-27-2017, 07:59 PM)dicappatore Wrote: As I posted on other threads. Do not forget the Wesen Council. They played a large role on maintaining some type of strategic control on the Wesen world.

(07-28-2017, 04:53 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: You have brought a new question should Nick have stayed out of some case that the council were working? As a Grimm, but shouldn't the council knowing Nick was also a police officer have played a little different with him??