(06-26-2017, 01:58 PM)Robyn Wrote:

(06-26-2017, 12:42 PM)silver Wrote: I think Nick's biggest mistake was in treating Juliette like a young child who needed to be protected from his 'world' of Wesen, etc. in the first place. It's the seed of her frustration and knowing she's being treated like almost incompetent so when it all builds to a head, it's gone on far too long, him acting like he has to be her protector and he's also got all his Wesen friends treating her like that, for a time, too! Thank god for Rosalee's balanced view - but, too little too late.

He was too wrapped up in his police duties and Grimm stuff to wake up to the fact that Juliette cannot keep going on with him keeping all this from her, without her going nutsy just like Hank and Wu almost did.

Plus, I think Juliette was very above-board and downright virtuous, when Nick proposed and she said she couldn't because her sensing of all this stuff being hidden from her and his aloofness and knowing she's being kept in the dark couldn't have felt right to her at that point.

I agree with your assessment of Nick’s reaction, but in his defense - and trust me, I don’t often defend Nick *grin* - he seems to have an instinctive protective nature, especially with those in his immediate circle, and specifically a girlfriend/wife. I think that’s one of the components of Nick/Adalind that works well for them. Nick likes Adalind as the little woman who wants to be wife and mother. And Adalind likes that family and their safety & wellbeing is Nick’s priority. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen any of the first couple of seasons, but I don’t recall Juliette ever needing or coveting Nick’s protection the way Adalind does.

Compound that with Nick’s world instantly going from totally normal to completely bizarre, and I doubt he understood it enough to explain it to anyone in the beginning. And given how bizarre things were for an otherwise normal guy, I can understand why he didn’t immediately end his relationship with Juliette just because Marie told him to. But once Nick realized he couldn’t keep the Grimm-Wesen conflict out of his personal life, I’m not sure informing Juliette was enough. Because even after Juliette was aware and actively involved she was still at risk.

So I guess the questions is - Realizing how dangerous his day to day life had become, should Nick have ended his relationship with Juliette in order to keep her away from the dangers of his Grimm life? Did he have the right to make that decision for her or should he have left staying or leaving up to Juliette?

(06-26-2017, 04:24 PM)silver Wrote:

(06-26-2017, 01:58 PM)Robyn Wrote:

(06-26-2017, 12:42 PM)silver Wrote: I think Nick's biggest mistake was in treating Juliette like a young child who needed to be protected from his 'world' of Wesen, etc. in the first place. It's the seed of her frustration and knowing she's being treated like almost incompetent so when it all builds to a head, it's gone on far too long, him acting like he has to be her protector and he's also got all his Wesen friends treating her like that, for a time, too! Thank god for Rosalee's balanced view - but, too little too late.

He was too wrapped up in his police duties and Grimm stuff to wake up to the fact that Juliette cannot keep going on with him keeping all this from her, without her going nutsy just like Hank and Wu almost did.

Plus, I think Juliette was very above-board and downright virtuous, when Nick proposed and she said she couldn't because her sensing of all this stuff being hidden from her and his aloofness and knowing she's being kept in the dark couldn't have felt right to her at that point.

I agree with your assessment of Nick’s reaction, but in his defense - and trust me, I don’t often defend Nick *grin* - he seems to have an instinctive protective nature, especially with those in his immediate circle, and specifically a girlfriend/wife. I think that’s one of the components of Nick/Adalind that works well for them. Nick likes Adalind as the little woman who wants to be wife and mother. And Adalind likes that family and their safety & wellbeing is Nick’s priority. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen any of the first couple of seasons, but I don’t recall Juliette ever needing or coveting Nick’s protection the way Adalind does.

Compound that with Nick’s world instantly going from totally normal to completely bizarre, and I doubt he understood it enough to explain it to anyone in the beginning. And given how bizarre things were for an otherwise normal guy, I can understand why he didn’t immediately end his relationship with Juliette just because Marie told him to. But once Nick realized he couldn’t keep the Grimm-Wesen conflict out of his personal life, I’m not sure informing Juliette was enough. Because even after Juliette was aware and actively involved she was still at risk.

So I guess the questions is - Realizing how dangerous his day to day life had become, should Nick have ended his relationship with Juliette in order to keep her away from the dangers of his Grimm life? Did he have the right to make that decision for her or should he have left staying or leaving up to Juliette?

Too many things were happening all at once - no way to escape the incredible confusion for any of them. Nick just awakening to his Grimm-hood, his aunt paying a surprise visit and being under attack, like right off the bat, etc. Heck, I feel protective of Juliette's eventual rage at the stuff that befell her. The rage couldn't be contained after so many insane things happening, but her reaction was her downfall but nobody should blame her. She WAS what Nick wanted, then she changed, then Adalind became everything he wanted. This story line is so crazy! In a way - a big way - I think plenty of us were having secret wishes that Adalind had stayed dead at the end - I think of that line from the Alpe story - who's gonna miss her.

(06-26-2017, 04:36 PM)dicappatore Wrote:

(06-26-2017, 04:24 PM)silver Wrote:

(06-26-2017, 01:58 PM)Robyn Wrote:

(06-26-2017, 12:42 PM)silver Wrote: I think Nick's biggest mistake was in treating Juliette like a young child who needed to be protected from his 'world' of Wesen, etc. in the first place. It's the seed of her frustration and knowing she's being treated like almost incompetent so when it all builds to a head, it's gone on far too long, him acting like he has to be her protector and he's also got all his Wesen friends treating her like that, for a time, too! Thank god for Rosalee's balanced view - but, too little too late.

He was too wrapped up in his police duties and Grimm stuff to wake up to the fact that Juliette cannot keep going on with him keeping all this from her, without her going nutsy just like Hank and Wu almost did.

Plus, I think Juliette was very above-board and downright virtuous, when Nick proposed and she said she couldn't because her sensing of all this stuff being hidden from her and his aloofness and knowing she's being kept in the dark couldn't have felt right to her at that point.

I agree with your assessment of Nick’s reaction, but in his defense - and trust me, I don’t often defend Nick *grin* - he seems to have an instinctive protective nature, especially with those in his immediate circle, and specifically a girlfriend/wife. I think that’s one of the components of Nick/Adalind that works well for them. Nick likes Adalind as the little woman who wants to be wife and mother. And Adalind likes that family and their safety & wellbeing is Nick’s priority. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen any of the first couple of seasons, but I don’t recall Juliette ever needing or coveting Nick’s protection the way Adalind does.

Compound that with Nick’s world instantly going from totally normal to completely bizarre, and I doubt he understood it enough to explain it to anyone in the beginning. And given how bizarre things were for an otherwise normal guy, I can understand why he didn’t immediately end his relationship with Juliette just because Marie told him to. But once Nick realized he couldn’t keep the Grimm-Wesen conflict out of his personal life, I’m not sure informing Juliette was enough. Because even after Juliette was aware and actively involved she was still at risk.

So I guess the questions is - Realizing how dangerous his day to day life had become, should Nick have ended his relationship with Juliette in order to keep her away from the dangers of his Grimm life? Did he have the right to make that decision for her or should he have left staying or leaving up to Juliette?

Too many things were happening all at once - no way to escape the incredible confusion for any of them. Nick just awakening to his Grimm-hood, his aunt paying a surprise visit and being under attack, like right off the bat, etc. Heck, I feel protective of Juliette's eventual rage at the stuff that befell her. The rage couldn't be contained after so many insane things happening, but her reaction was her downfall but nobody should blame her. She WAS what Nick wanted, then she changed, then Adalind became everything he wanted. This story line is so crazy! In a way - a big way - I think plenty of us were having secret wishes that Adalind had stayed dead at the end - I think of that line from the Alpe story - who's gonna miss her.

I think you meant Juliette should have stayed dead. I agree. I posted it before. Bringing her back as Eve was the beginning of the end for the series.

I won’t take credit for this idea that someone else brought up. If they wanted to keep the actress in the series. Bring her back as a twin sister. A look alike cousin “Patty Duke Show” style. A few clones "Orphan Black" style. I'm sure HW could have used a few more Eves. that would have been better. Maybe even re-spark the relationship with nick and the replacement.

(06-26-2017, 04:24 PM)silver Wrote:

(06-26-2017, 01:58 PM)Robyn Wrote:

(06-26-2017, 12:42 PM)silver Wrote: I think Nick's biggest mistake was in treating Juliette like a young child who needed to be protected from his 'world' of Wesen, etc. in the first place. It's the seed of her frustration and knowing she's being treated like almost incompetent so when it all builds to a head, it's gone on far too long, him acting like he has to be her protector and he's also got all his Wesen friends treating her like that, for a time, too! Thank god for Rosalee's balanced view - but, too little too late.

He was too wrapped up in his police duties and Grimm stuff to wake up to the fact that Juliette cannot keep going on with him keeping all this from her, without her going nutsy just like Hank and Wu almost did.

Plus, I think Juliette was very above-board and downright virtuous, when Nick proposed and she said she couldn't because her sensing of all this stuff being hidden from her and his aloofness and knowing she's being kept in the dark couldn't have felt right to her at that point.

I agree with your assessment of Nick’s reaction, but in his defense - and trust me, I don’t often defend Nick *grin* - he seems to have an instinctive protective nature, especially with those in his immediate circle, and specifically a girlfriend/wife. I think that’s one of the components of Nick/Adalind that works well for them. Nick likes Adalind as the little woman who wants to be wife and mother. And Adalind likes that family and their safety & wellbeing is Nick’s priority. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen any of the first couple of seasons, but I don’t recall Juliette ever needing or coveting Nick’s protection the way Adalind does.

Compound that with Nick’s world instantly going from totally normal to completely bizarre, and I doubt he understood it enough to explain it to anyone in the beginning. And given how bizarre things were for an otherwise normal guy, I can understand why he didn’t immediately end his relationship with Juliette just because Marie told him to. But once Nick realized he couldn’t keep the Grimm-Wesen conflict out of his personal life, I’m not sure informing Juliette was enough. Because even after Juliette was aware and actively involved she was still at risk.

So I guess the questions is - Realizing how dangerous his day to day life had become, should Nick have ended his relationship with Juliette in order to keep her away from the dangers of his Grimm life? Did he have the right to make that decision for her or should he have left staying or leaving up to Juliette?

Too many things were happening all at once - no way to escape the incredible confusion for any of them. Nick just awakening to his Grimm-hood, his aunt paying a surprise visit and being under attack, like right off the bat, etc. Heck, I feel protective of Juliette's eventual rage at the stuff that befell her. The rage couldn't be contained after so many insane things happening, but her reaction was her downfall but nobody should blame her. She WAS what Nick wanted, then she changed, then Adalind became everything he wanted. This story line is so crazy! In a way - a big way - I think plenty of us were having secret wishes that Adalind had stayed dead at the end - I think of that line from the Alpe story - who's gonna miss her.

(06-26-2017, 04:24 PM)silver Wrote: Too many things were happening all at once - no way to escape the incredible confusion for any of them. Nick just awakening to his Grimm-hood, his aunt paying a surprise visit and being under attack, like right off the bat, etc. Heck, I feel protective of Juliette's eventual rage at the stuff that befell her. The rage couldn't be contained after so many insane things happening, but her reaction was her downfall but nobody should blame her. She WAS what Nick wanted, then she changed, then Adalind became everything he wanted. This story line is so crazy! In a way - a big way - I think plenty of us were having secret wishes that Adalind had stayed dead at the end - I think of that line from the Alpe story - who's gonna miss her.

(06-26-2017, 05:12 PM)rpmaluki Wrote:

(06-26-2017, 04:24 PM)silver Wrote: In a way - a big way - I think plenty of us were having secret wishes that Adalind had stayed dead at the end - I think of that line from the Alpe story - who's gonna miss her.

I would have missed her.

(06-26-2017, 05:25 PM)irukandji Wrote: Sweet! Absolutely sweet! Love your post, silver.
The thing I always wondered about is why Nick just didn't kill Adalind when he had the chance. He defeated her by taking her power, and she was evil. And this to me, is the quintessential hypocritical Nick.
He's told by Aunt Marie to kill the bad wesen. He has the primo example right before him who murdered his aunt and what does he do? He lets her live.