(06-25-2017, 06:55 AM)irukandji Wrote:

(06-24-2017, 07:11 PM)rpmaluki Wrote: Being a grimm and a hexenbiest didn't break up Nick and Juliette. We see now how well they could have mixed had they persevered. However, being two different species under the strain they were facing as a couple at that time, it was the the penultimate straw before the last one that eventually broke the back (Kelly's death). Ever since Nick became a Grimm and eventually confessed the truth about it to her, his life with Juliette didn't get any better for it. Other things began cropping up between them that were never fully resolved so when she snapped as a hexenbiest, all of her grievances against Nick flooded back and were compounded by the presence of a very pregnant Adalind.

I don't think Eve and Nick would have mixed well if they persevered. I thought there was some chemistry between them a few times when she was Eve, but that was quickly quashed by the creative team. If you compare Nick and Eve's friendship to that of Nick and Monroe, it falls completely flat. Not because it's a man to woman friendship versus a man to man friendship. It has to do with the interaction of the characters as allowed by the creative team. Nick and Monroe interact on a much more personal basis than Nick and Eve. In my estimation, I see Nick and Eve as more peers than anything else. It's apparent to me that their peer relationship was never going to go further. Nick never cared for Eve the way he cared for his friends.

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I think that the relationship of Nick and Adalind will exceed that of Nick and Juliette. Because in an moment they left behind the pride to care for a baby. Juliette did nothing for his relationship. She asking for help to Rosalee in spice shop and then rejecting everything by seeing Nick. Laughing at Nick. Telling Rosalee that everything was fine-4×19-. That helped him to be proud? In nothing.

Well, Brandon, you can ramble on and on about the olden days but that all ended with season 4. Season 5 brought us some new and drastic changes. You mention Juliette did nothing for the relationship. In seasons 5 and 6, she couldn't. Adalind had been declared Nick's next live in.

I am still of the opinion that the hexenbiest/grimm mixed relationship cannot endure if both are allowed to be grimms and hexenbiests, that which is natural to them. But that doesn't change that the two species seem to be natural enemies. Nick and Adalind did nothing to change that because Adalind was willing to completely cave to Nick. I believe it was Robyn who said it best: Adalind became the mouse in the corner. She was allowed to live there and she was allowed to raise Kelly there. Diana was also allowed there. At times. Did Adalind ever rise to status of co-owner, co-decision maker or even Nick's equal? Nope.

So while they got along and Adalind raised Kelly and everything seemed hunky dory, I think it was often for appearance's sake because Adalind catered to Nick. I'm sure sometimes Adalind is sitting in the fome, wondering what it be like if she could just go back to being a hexenbiest and raising hell once again. When she got drafted to homemaker duty, she lost her sparkle.

(06-25-2017, 06:55 AM)irukandji Wrote: I don't think Eve and Nick would have mixed well if they persevered. I thought there was some chemistry between them a few times when she was Eve, but that was quickly quashed by the creative team. If you compare Nick and Eve's friendship to that of Nick and Monroe, it falls completely flat. Not because it's a man to woman friendship versus a man to man friendship. It has to do with the interaction of the characters as allowed by the creative team. Nick and Monroe interact on a much more personal basis than Nick and Eve. In my estimation, I see Nick and Eve as more peers than anything else. It's apparent to me that their peer relationship was never going to go further. Nick never cared for Eve the way he cared for his friends.

(06-25-2017, 10:10 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: I was talking about Nick and Juliette right after she became a Hexenbeist before she went off the bender. I'm saying had they persevered and truly worked through their deep seeded issues, even without bringing marriage into the equation, perhaps they could have mixed well and actually made it work, the whole grimm and hexenbiest thing. I expected it but it never happened. It's bewildering how he made it work with Adalind.

(06-25-2017, 10:10 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: You are right about the writers shooting down any real connection between Nick and hexenbiest Juliette or Eve for whatever reason. Nick was quite distant with Eve for all of season 5 and sort of apprehensive with her when she started having issues after the stick incident. Nobody will ever top Monroe when it comes to who Nick is closest to but I wouldn't say he was detached from Eve at all this season, at least not as blatant as he was last season. Nick had his life and he involved her as much as it was appropriate, even letting her stay at the loft as long as she did, however awkward that whole situation was imo.

(06-25-2017, 10:10 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: I think both Nick and Eve drew a line where each was concerned as they should, all things considered. Too much had gone down between them and both were too far gone apart for any lingering closeness resembling some of what we saw in the first few seasons. I wouldn't be surprised if they drifted further apart over the years.

(06-25-2017, 10:10 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:

(06-25-2017, 06:55 AM)irukandji Wrote: I don't think Eve and Nick would have mixed well if they persevered. I thought there was some chemistry between them a few times when she was Eve, but that was quickly quashed by the creative team. If you compare Nick and Eve's friendship to that of Nick and Monroe, it falls completely flat. Not because it's a man to woman friendship versus a man to man friendship. It has to do with the interaction of the characters as allowed by the creative team. Nick and Monroe interact on a much more personal basis than Nick and Eve. In my estimation, I see Nick and Eve as more peers than anything else. It's apparent to me that their peer relationship was never going to go further. Nick never cared for Eve the way he cared for his friends.

I was talking about Nick and Juliette right after she became a Hexenbeist before she went off the bender. I'm saying had they persevered and truly worked through their deep seeded issues, even without bringing marriage into the equation, perhaps they could have mixed well and actually made it work, the whole grimm and hexenbiest thing. I expected it but it never happened. It's bewildering how he made it work with Adalind.

You are right about the writers shooting down any real connection between Nick and hexenbiest Juliette or Eve for whatever reason. Nick was quite distant with Eve for all of season 5 and sort of apprehensive with her when she started having issues after the stick incident. Nobody will ever top Monroe when it comes to who Nick is closest to but I wouldn't say he was detached from Eve at all this season, at least not as blatant as he was last season. Nick had his life and he involved her as much as it was appropriate, even letting her stay at the loft as long as she did, however awkward that whole situation was imo.

I think both Nick and Eve drew a line where each was concerned as they should, all things considered. Too much had gone down between them and both were too far gone apart for any lingering closeness resembling some of what we saw in the first few seasons. I wouldn't be surprised if they drifted further apart over the years.

(06-25-2017, 11:28 AM)irukandji Wrote: As for Adalind getting along with Nick, I think she just figured out how to butter Nick's bread and it boiled down to catering to him. I do not say this as a slam to her. I just look at it as she had no home, and no way of providing for herself. He offered and she took his offer. I do think that in caving to him though, the spark that was Adalind disappeared. Despite her deeds, she was an interesting and fun character. Living with Nick seemed to take the fun out of her.

(06-25-2017, 11:28 AM)irukandji Wrote: Eve staying in the loft tunnels and then eventually elevating to the upper floors was one of the weirdest and most bizarre elements to the series I've ever seen. Certainly Eve had enough money and means to afford a place of her own just like distant memory Juliette.

(06-25-2017, 12:59 PM)Robyn Wrote: I got the impression during S6 that Nick accepted Adalind’s Hexenbiest and even embraced it to some degree. And Adalind finally realized that the Hexenbiest didn’t define who and what she was. For Adalind, her earlier obsessions over being a Hexenbiest then not being a Hexenbiest were replaced by more important priorities in her life.

But I too miss the spunk of the original Adalind. Being good shouldn't require giving up her spunk and snark.

(06-25-2017, 01:26 PM)irukandji Wrote: I really don't think Nick embraced Adalind's hexenbiest either. I was wondering just what he'd do if he came home and saw a woged Adalind brewing some kind of potion. My thoughts? Adalind wouldn't be living in the fome too much longer if she kept up that kind of behavior.