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RE: Did Nick and Adalind fall in faster or slower than a normal couple. - irukandji - 06-01-2017
(06-01-2017, 06:11 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: Eve is very aware person in general and more so with Nick so why is that surprising?
Don't you find it strange that Eve, who is supposedly this robotic person without feelings, would be the one to even make this comment in the first place? In the second place, she's never made any other kinds of observations about Nick.
(06-01-2017, 06:11 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: The point was that Eve could see it and she was not trying to go after Nick instead she was ok with it.
From the moment she appeared in the warehouse, there was never any indication that Eve was going to go after Nick. In fact, she saved his life.
RE: Did Nick and Adalind fall in faster or slower than a normal couple. - MarylikesGrimm - 06-01-2017
(06-01-2017, 05:53 PM)irukandji Wrote: Their love should be so apparent that it doesn't need to be relayed to the audience by a character in the series.
I felt after 603, IMO it was obvious that the majority of Grimm viewers saw that Nick and Adalind were a couple in the "grimm-universe" even though many grimmsters do not care one way or another about shipping and some hate it to. G&K and NBC made comments that showed that they believe viewers saw Nick and Adalind as a couple based on the information they had. Network TV does use surveys of viewers to better understand them. This does not mean it was seen like a fairy tale romance or anything like that because the show name is GRIMM and the focus is on WOW.
Among G&K, NBC and Grimmsters it was well known that some viewers wanted Eve and Nick to turn back into the characters they were when the show started. Both Juliette and Nick turned darker and more serious people in the show so I was not surprised by that. G&K saw this show as GRIMM so IMO that is why they turned Nick and Juliette so dark and they see them turning back into the original characters as going backwards and IMO if they did that they would see it as admitting failure which is not something that I believe G&K would do.
(06-01-2017, 06:37 PM)irukandji Wrote: From the moment she appeared in the warehouse, there was never any indication that Eve was going to go after Nick. In fact, she saved his life.
I agree with you about the show however during the summer we both talked about how the cast and G&K promoted the idea of love triangle and later the show never had that triangle in season 6.
RE: Did Nick and Adalind fall in faster or slower than a normal couple. - irukandji - 06-01-2017
(06-01-2017, 06:39 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(06-01-2017, 05:53 PM)irukandji Wrote: Their love should be so apparent that it doesn't need to be relayed to the audience by a character in the series.
I felt after 603, IMO it was obvious that the majority of Grimm viewers saw that Nick and Adalind were a couple in the "grimm-universe" even though many grimmsters do not care one way or another about shipping and some hate it to. G&K and NBC made comments that showed that they believe viewers saw Nick and Adalind as a couple based on the information they had. Network TV does use surveys of viewers to better understand them. This does not mean it was seen like a fairy tale romance or anything like that because the show name is GRIMM and the focus is on WOW.
Among G&K, NBC and Grimmsters it was well known that some viewers wanted Eve and Nick to turn back into the characters they were when the show started. Both Juliette and Nick turned darker and more serious people in the show so I was not surprised by that. G&K saw this show as GRIMM so IMO that is why they turned Nick and Juliette so dark and they see them turning back into the original characters as going backwards and IMO if they did that they would see it as admitting failure which is not something that I believe G&K would do.
It shouldn't take a character like Eve to out and outright tell Nick he loves Adalind. Again, one of many little tidbits that support the opposite viewpoint that Nick and Adalind's relationship isn't really all that believable.
(06-01-2017, 06:39 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(06-01-2017, 05:53 PM)irukandji Wrote: Their love should be so apparent that it doesn't need to be relayed to the audience by a character in the series.
I felt after 603, IMO it was obvious that the majority of Grimm viewers saw that Nick and Adalind were a couple in the "grimm-universe" even though many grimmsters do not care one way or another about shipping and some hate it to. G&K and NBC made comments that showed that they believe viewers saw Nick and Adalind as a couple based on the information they had. Network TV does use surveys of viewers to better understand them. This does not mean it was seen like a fairy tale romance or anything like that because the show name is GRIMM and the focus is on WOW.
Among G&K, NBC and Grimmsters it was well known that some viewers wanted Eve and Nick to turn back into the characters they were when the show started. Both Juliette and Nick turned darker and more serious people in the show so I was not surprised by that. G&K saw this show as GRIMM so IMO that is why they turned Nick and Juliette so dark and they see them turning back into the original characters as going backwards and IMO if they did that they would see it as admitting failure which is not something that I believe G&K would do.
(06-01-2017, 06:37 PM)irukandji Wrote: From the moment she appeared in the warehouse, there was never any indication that Eve was going to go after Nick. In fact, she saved his life.
I agree with you about the show however during the summer we both talked about how the cast and G&K promoted the idea of love triangle and later the show never had that triangle in season 6.
You're absolutely spot on about the love triangle. So I can understand why some fans don't believe Nick and Adalind had a 20 year happily ever after. G & K were the ones who said that too. If they fibbed about a love triangle it's not such a stretch to believe they fibbed about the happily ever after.
RE: Did Nick and Adalind fall in faster or slower than a normal couple. - MarylikesGrimm - 06-01-2017
(06-01-2017, 06:37 PM)irukandji Wrote: Don't you find it strange that Eve, who is supposedly this robotic person without feelings, would be the one to even make this comment in the first place? In the second place, she's never made any other kinds of observations about Nick.Eve was suppose to have feelings again in season 6 after the stick was used on her. Bitise loved talking about it in multiple interviews.
RE: Did Nick and Adalind fall in faster or slower than a normal couple. - irukandji - 06-01-2017
(06-01-2017, 06:46 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(06-01-2017, 06:37 PM)irukandji Wrote: Don't you find it strange that Eve, who is supposedly this robotic person without feelings, would be the one to even make this comment in the first place? In the second place, she's never made any other kinds of observations about Nick.Eve was suppose to have feelings again in season 6 after the stick was used on her. Bitise loved talking about it in multiple interviews.
Yes, but she is Eve, not Juliette. So how then could she be observant in telling Nick he loves Adalind?
RE: Did Nick and Adalind fall in faster or slower than a normal couple. - MarylikesGrimm - 06-01-2017
(06-01-2017, 06:48 PM)irukandji Wrote:(06-01-2017, 06:46 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(06-01-2017, 06:37 PM)irukandji Wrote: Don't you find it strange that Eve, who is supposedly this robotic person without feelings, would be the one to even make this comment in the first place? In the second place, she's never made any other kinds of observations about Nick.Eve was suppose to have feelings again in season 6 after the stick was used on her. Bitise loved talking about it in multiple interviews.
Yes, but she is Eve, not Juliette. So how then could she be observant in telling Nick he loves Adalind?
Mary: Bitsie explains Eve in a video and Megan Vick writes it up.
Grimm: Will Juliette Take Over Eve?
By Megan Vick | Feb 13, 2017 8:51 PM EST
Eve has acclimated to the Scooby Gang, formed her own attachment to them and wants to protect them too. But now Juliette is starting to bubble up below Eve's surface and it's not something Eve wants to happen. Tulloch explained to TVGuide.com that Eve, and Juliette, aren't eager for a routine because then the latter would have to deal with the guilt of all the terrible things she did before Nick (David Giuntoli) believed she had died.
Eve wants to stay focused on the task at hand -- destroying the last of Black Claw and figuring out exactly what the stick is and what it can do. Plus, Juliette returning would complicate things between Nick and Adalind (Claire Coffee). The love triangle is what Tulloch gets asked about the most and she promises that fans will be surprised, and hopefully satisfied, by how that turns out.
http://www.tvguide.com/news/grimm-video-juliette-take-over-eve/
RE: Did Nick and Adalind fall in faster or slower than a normal couple. - irukandji - 06-01-2017
(06-01-2017, 06:57 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(06-01-2017, 06:48 PM)irukandji Wrote:(06-01-2017, 06:46 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(06-01-2017, 06:37 PM)irukandji Wrote: Don't you find it strange that Eve, who is supposedly this robotic person without feelings, would be the one to even make this comment in the first place? In the second place, she's never made any other kinds of observations about Nick.Eve was suppose to have feelings again in season 6 after the stick was used on her. Bitise loved talking about it in multiple interviews.
Yes, but she is Eve, not Juliette. So how then could she be observant in telling Nick he loves Adalind?
Mary: Bitsie explains Eve in a video and Megan Vick writes it up.
Grimm: Will Juliette Take Over Eve?
By Megan Vick | Feb 13, 2017 8:51 PM EST
Eve has acclimated to the Scooby Gang, formed her own attachment to them and wants to protect them too. But now Juliette is starting to bubble up below Eve's surface and it's not something Eve wants to happen. Tulloch explained to TVGuide.com that Eve, and Juliette, aren't eager for a routine because then the latter would have to deal with the guilt of all the terrible things she did before Nick (David Giuntoli) believed she had died.
Eve wants to stay focused on the task at hand -- destroying the last of Black Claw and figuring out exactly what the stick is and what it can do. Plus, Juliette returning would complicate things between Nick and Adalind (Claire Coffee). The love triangle is what Tulloch gets asked about the most and she promises that fans will be surprised, and hopefully satisfied, by how that turns out.
http://www.tvguide.com/news/grimm-video-juliette-take-over-eve/
But Eve won out in the end. She told Nick she wasn't Juliette. If she is indeed Eve and never went within reach of Juliette's memories, then she wouldn't be that perceptive to tell Nick he loves Adalind.
RE: Did Nick and Adalind fall in faster or slower than a normal couple. - MarylikesGrimm - 06-01-2017
(06-01-2017, 06:24 PM)Devegs Wrote:(05-30-2017, 06:35 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: Did Nick and Adalind fall in faster or slower than a normal couple. They live together nearly a year before Adalind left and came back in season 5...
Another thread gone the way of many others.
Things haven't changed. Lol.
It seems every thing has to be reduced to 'trying to prove' that Nick still loves Juliette even though the show ended completely differently. Grimm, a fantasy show hinged on an unreal premise as well as unbelievable/unreal plots, is now all about the romance and who should have ended up with who. Just disregard the last couple of seasons and how the characters in the story ended. It's probably easier disregard all the entire unbelievable show actually. Really, there are no grimms, no wesen, no grimmiverse.
(05-30-2017, 06:35 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/men-fall-in-love-faster-than-women-but-wait-longer-to-say-those-three-special-words-9873491.html
When an even split of 2,000 adult men and women who have been in relationships for at least a year were asked how quickly they fell in love with a new partner, most men said three months, while women replied five months.
Asked how soon they admitted to their partner that they were in love, women would declare their feelings at the six month mark – a month after most women said they had noticed they were in love. Meanwhile, the study suggests men are more cautious – expressing their true emotions after nine months.
Interesting study, by the way. Thanks for posting MLG. Aside from this study, do you know if there are others with similar results?
Though generally speaking, anecdotally, it seems that men wait longer than women to say I love you.
Mary: This one looks good but I do not want to pay for it. Abstract says that love is still important for entering marriage but not as much for maintaining that marriage.
The Importance of Love as a Basis of Marriage
Revisiting Kephart (1967)
Susan Sprecher, Elaine Hatfield First Published March 11, 2015 Research Article
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0192513X15576197
Abstract
This study extended prior research on attitudes about the importance of love as a basis for marriage. With data from a sample of 4,245 college students, obtained over a 16-year period, we found that both men and women, but women to a slightly greater degree than men, rated love as important for entering marriage. Over the 16-year period of the study, the importance of love as a prerequisite for marriage decreased slightly for men. Other individual difference variables (beyond gender) that were found to be associated positively with viewing love as an important basis for marriage included being White (vs. Black), high self-esteem, restrictedness in sociosexuality (true for women only), and a secure attachment style. Participants were more undecided or ambivalent about whether love is necessary to maintain a marriage. The importance of love for maintaining marriage was rated slightly higher by women (than by men), less religious participants, those whose parents had divorced, and those who were unrestricted in their sociosexuality; this belief was not found to change over time.
Sociosexual orientation, or sociosexuality, is the individual difference in the willingness to engage in sexual activity outside of a committed relationship.
(06-01-2017, 07:08 PM)irukandji Wrote: But Eve won out in the end. She told Nick she wasn't Juliette. If she is indeed Eve and never went within reach of Juliette's memories, then she wouldn't be that perceptive to tell Nick he loves Adalind.
Eve has all the memories of Juliette and sees her as part of her but only part. IMO Eve is more perceptive than other members of the grimm team when it comes to Nick in season 6. Eve talks to Nick about his feelings in two shows and I can only think of the Grimm ladies (Marie, mama Kelly and Trubel) that talk to Nick about his feelings in 613 season 6.
RE: Did Nick and Adalind fall in faster or slower than a normal couple. - Tara - 06-01-2017
(06-01-2017, 07:42 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(06-01-2017, 07:08 PM)irukandji Wrote: But Eve won out in the end. She told Nick she wasn't Juliette. If she is indeed Eve and never went within reach of Juliette's memories, then she wouldn't be that perceptive to tell Nick he loves Adalind.
Eve has all the memories of Juliette and sees her as part of her but only part. IMO Eve is more perceptive than other members of the grimm team when it comes to Nick in season 6. Eve talks to Nick about his feelings in two shows and I can only think of the Grimm ladies (Marie, mama Kelly and Trubel) that talk to Nick about his feelings in 613 season 6.
And again, that's a good example for it - you can't take the writers seriously. There wasn't really a love triangle - so again who say the end of grimm is honestly? With the time jump...
RE: Did Nick and Adalind fall in faster or slower than a normal couple. - rpmaluki - 06-01-2017
Eve at the beginning of the season was unable to have control over the effects of the stick, she was much more vulnerable to Juliette's emotions awakening than at the end of the show when she picked a clear path for herself to follow. I believe she had a similar "sense" experience to Adalind when she threatened her over hurting Nick because she knew Adalind's powers had returned and she was lying about it. Eve threatened Adalind over their relationship going sour because of Adalind and not because of Nick choosing to be a family instead of helping HW, a deliberate change in Eve's arc in S5. The writers unnecessarily kept Eve (yes, even her) and "Juliette" on the periphery of Nick and Adalind's growing relationship, not because they wanted Eve to break them apart, it was all for show/drama. As the last season progresses, Eve takes back the control of her life as we see in 6x11 as opposed the the minor missteps we see as far as 6x03 (Adalind and Nick's supposed first kiss question) and 6x04 in the tunnels after eavesdropping on a private moment between Nick and Adalind.
Honestly, people believe what they want based on a lot of things whether it's from things seen on the show or not. I know how some viewers see Nick and Adalind as unbelievable is very comparable to how I didn't buy into Nick and Juliette at the beginning of the show and there was four seasons of them. I saw them breaking up as me being proven right. Unfortunately for Nick and Adalind's detractors, the show is already over so there's no opportunity for them to have their "beliefs" proven right as I felt I was and therefore disregarding the twenty year jump and everything else leading up to it is much more palatable for them than accepting what the writers depicted in the now clearly defined relationship of Nick and Adalind and the implication of them being together for all that time.
G&K had an overblown sense of their creative worth often relying on shock value instead of focusing on real character development. Any triangles alluded to by the actors was because they were constantly asked by interviewers because such topics are click bait fodder if those articles were not reviewing episodes. I think the actors do their part in "promoting" the show when doing these interviews to help keep viewers interested so they humor a lot of the asinine questioning they get asked over and over even when they know differently and the show plays out differently because you don't want to come out and tell people the real plot (spoilers) and end up alienating a part of the audience, so they give vague answers that hype something that never happens. The writers did the same but they were much more direct in in terms of the supposed triangle. One of the first few articles at the beginning of the season talked about Nick's love and they said Nick had moved on to his family when they were asked about how he felt with Juliette coming back. They said the only love he felt for Eve was deep friendship because they wrote it that way. Once the show is ended, there was no need to beat around the bush about the characters during their interviews. They gave everyone a happy ending, continuing to fight the good/Grimm fight in the own way as we saw during the six seasons, in their words that didn't contradict how the show ended, with Nick and Adalind together and the kids continuing with what started Nick and Monroe.
My point is people will believe what they want to believe for whatever reason (we are all different after all) that's inevitable but it doesn't change what actually happened on the show unless it actually did happen. It's impossible to expect viewers to agree on anything, the show either succeeded or failed in what it was trying to do, it's over.