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RE: Nickliette/Neve Fanfiction - MarylikesGrimm - 05-29-2017
(05-29-2017, 09:23 AM)Robyn Wrote: Eve might have died in the tunnel if nothing changed about the story other than the Nick/Adalind relationship. But if the Nick/Adalind relationship changes, so could other components. Nick felt something happening with the stick while Juliette was in the tunnel. It’s not farfetched that he’d discover her later that night. Nick and Adalind not in a relationship would not make them estranged or change Diana’s abilities. They would still work together against a common threat to their loved ones and Diana would still see/interpret information. The how/when/where might change, but not the end results. Kelly would still be a Grimm and Adalind’s son in the future. Those things didn’t come to pass because Nick and Adalind were in a relationship when Zerstörer was destroyed. Nick and Adalind in a relationship did not cause or prevent anything that happened. Their relationship was only a component of the overall BC and Zerstörer storylines.
I was not suggesting Nick and Adalind’s relationship in itself wasn’t valid or necessary, only that it didn’t have any real effect on how BC and Zerstörer played out. Look at it this way - had Nick not fallen in love with Adalind would…
Nick have gone to the BC house, taken Kelly and left Adalind to fend for herself
Nick and the others not have protected Diana
Nick have disregarded Adalind wanting/needing to be rid of the ring
Nick, Adalind, Renard, and the others not have joined forces against Zerstörer
Nick and Adalind not have become trusted allies and parenting partners dedicated to their son’s wellbeing
How would have Eve and Nick been able to leave "The Other Place" without Diana?
RE: Nickliette/Neve Fanfiction - Robyn - 05-29-2017
(05-29-2017, 10:37 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: How would have Eve and Nick been able to leave "The Other Place" without Diana?What dictates that she wouldn't have helped them anyway? That was the point of my list. Did everyone's actions only occur because Nick and Adalind had a romantic relationship? If so, these people haven't grown and matured emotionally or morally. And I don't think, and really hope, that's not the case.
RE: Nickliette/Neve Fanfiction - rpmaluki - 05-29-2017
Actually, I do think Diana opened the portal so Nick can get through because Adalind loved him, she does say as much after Nick and Eve fall through the mirror. Without that relationship, Diana has no motive to "help" at this stage.
RE: Nickliette/Neve Fanfiction - MarylikesGrimm - 05-29-2017
(05-29-2017, 11:04 AM)Robyn Wrote:This is not about maturity or love itself. The fact is Diana was living at the loft change too many things in Z story. If Diana doesn't know that Nick and Eve are in danger how can she help them?(05-29-2017, 10:37 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: How would have Eve and Nick been able to leave "The Other Place" without Diana?What dictates that she wouldn't have helped them anyway? That was the point of my list. Did everyone's actions only occur because Nick and Adalind had a romantic relationship? If so, these people haven't grown and matured emotionally or morally. And I don't think, and really hope, that's not the case.
In 602, Nick asked for Adalind specifically otherwise she would have to work things out with Sean herself.
If Adalind was not in love with Nick once Sean bought a new place Adalind would have been there a lot with Kelly and Diana. It looked like Sean had more bedrooms so she did not have to share one with Sean. Each kid could had their own room. Why would Sean let Adalind take Diana to a place of danger to help Nick since Adalind and Sean would not know about Diana and Z connection? Nick would likely went into the mirror using the stick without Diana being in the same house. Remember, Diana was the one who told Sean and Adalind that the other place was like our world and had plants. Do you believe that Adalind would have jumped into a mirror without the slightest idea how to help Nick or Eve or that she would live even a few seconds if she was not in love with Nick? I thought Eve and Nick was crazy since there could been no breathable air on the other side.
(05-29-2017, 11:04 AM)Robyn Wrote: What dictates that she wouldn't have helped them anyway? That was the point of my list. Did everyone's actions only occur because Nick and Adalind had a romantic relationship? If so, these people haven't grown and matured emotionally or morally. And I don't think, and really hope, that's not the case.
Diana staying not at the loft changes everything in the z-story.
RE: Nickliette/Neve Fanfiction - rpmaluki - 05-29-2017
Nick and Adalind's relationship does have some impact on both the Zerstörer and Black Claw arcs. The show would look very different if those two weren't in love. Adalind held out as long as she could giving the loft's location because she knew they would go after Nick and Bonaparte held out as long as his patience and then made the mistake of choking Adalind. What would have changed with the BC arc would have had a ripple effect on much of the S6 arc. Obviously not everything hinges on the relationship but some pieces on the board would have ended up elsewhere or not on the board at all without Nick and Adalind affecting not just their own choices but that of the people around them.
RE: Nickliette/Neve Fanfiction - MarylikesGrimm - 05-29-2017
(05-29-2017, 10:37 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: 1) Nick have gone to the BC house, taken Kelly and left Adalind to fend for herself
2) Nick and the others not have protected Diana
3) Nick have disregarded Adalind wanting/needing to be rid of the ring
4) Nick, Adalind, Renard, and the others not have joined forces against Zerstörer
5) Nick and Adalind not have become trusted allies and parenting partners dedicated to their son’s wellbeing
1) Nick would have not demanded that he take Adalind. Once Sean was not going to be mayor he had to move out of the BC house and Adalind could have lived in Sean's new home in her own bedroom on her own terms.
2) If Diana was not at the loft then no one know that Diana was in danger no one would have been protecting her or Kelly.
3) Nick would not been with Adalind's dead body to remove the ring which he did not even know that would remove the ring later anyway.
4) Correct. Sean never would have join forces because their was no known risk to Diana.
5) Adalind would have dropped Kelly off at Nick's when Nick wanted see him and picked him up as needed. Diana would not be inside the loft after 604.
6) Eve would have not moved out of the loft so she could have gone into a mirror while in the loft. Z could have used Hank, Wu, Rosalee, Trubel, Monroe and Eve to blackmail Nick. Z wanted the stick so why would he gone after Sean and Adalind and Diana if Nick was not in love with Adalind.
RE: Nickliette/Neve Fanfiction - Robyn - 05-29-2017
(05-29-2017, 11:25 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: This is not about maturity or love itself. The fact is Diana was living at the loft change too many things in Z story. If Diana doesn't know that Nick and Eve are in danger how can she help them?
(05-29-2017, 11:21 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: Actually, I do think Diana opened the portal so Nick can get through because Adalind loved him, she does say as much after Nick and Eve fall through the mirror. Without that relationship, Diana has no motive to "help" at this stage.Then at the very least it’s about poor communication skills by a group that fights deadly danger on an ongoing basis. Why would Diana only be able to sense Zerstörer/the coming danger if she’s living in Nick’s house. Diana would tell her mother and/or father about what she was sensing, who would tell Nick, the Grimm. Unless, Nick and Adalind either have a romantic relationship or no relationship.
Adalind not offering to go after Juliette wouldn’t change anything because she wasn’t allowed to do it. Nick went through the mirror despite being in love with Adalind, and would have done the same if he wasn’t in love with her. Adalind was only willing to go after Nick because she was in love with him, not because he was her son’s father? Renard wasn't in love with Adalind yet refused to allow her to risk herself. Nick only protected Diana because he was in love with Adalind, if not, he wouldn’t have protected Diana? Had Diana witnessed Nick and Adalind as committed friends/loving parents instead of a couple, she wouldn’t have been affected by her mother’s emotional distress over Kelly’s father being trapped in the other world?
I’m not suggesting that every detail would have played out exactly like the official version. Some of the how/when/where would change because Adalind and Diana weren’t living with Nick. But I am suggesting that Nick and Adalind would have reconciled with their volatile history and become trusting parents and allies even if romance hadn’t blossomed, and that the end result would be basically the same. The entire group would unite against the threat, Nick would defeat Zerstörer with the help of Kelly, Marie, and Trubel then use the staff to alter reality to a timeline that didn’t include Zerstörer crossing over.
RE: Nickliette/Neve Fanfiction - MarylikesGrimm - 05-29-2017
(05-29-2017, 02:46 PM)Robyn Wrote:(05-29-2017, 11:25 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: This is not about maturity or love itself. The fact is Diana was living at the loft change too many things in Z story. If Diana doesn't know that Nick and Eve are in danger how can she help them?(05-29-2017, 11:21 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: Actually, I do think Diana opened the portal so Nick can get through because Adalind loved him, she does say as much after Nick and Eve fall through the mirror. Without that relationship, Diana has no motive to "help" at this stage.Then at the very least it’s about poor communication skills by a group that fights deadly danger on an ongoing basis. Why would Diana only be able to sense Zerstörer/the coming danger if she’s living in Nick’s house. Diana would tell her mother and/or father about what she was sensing, who would tell Nick, the Grimm. Unless, Nick and Adalind either have a romantic relationship or no relationship.
Adalind not offering to go after Juliette wouldn’t change anything because she wasn’t allowed to do it. Nick went through the mirror despite being in love with Adalind, and would have done the same if he wasn’t in love with her. Adalind was only willing to go after Nick because she was in love with him, not because he was her son’s father? Renard wasn't in love with Adalind yet refused to allow her to risk herself. Nick only protected Diana because he was in love with Adalind, if not, he wouldn’t have protected Diana? Had Diana witnessed Nick and Adalind as committed friends/loving parents instead of a couple, she wouldn’t have been affected by her mother’s emotional distress over Kelly’s father being trapped in the other world?
I’m not suggesting that every detail would have played out exactly like the official version. Some of the how/when/where would change because Adalind and Diana weren’t living with Nick. But I am suggesting that Nick and Adalind would have reconciled with their volatile history and become trusting parents and allies even if romance hadn’t blossomed, and that the end result would be basically the same. The entire group would unite against the threat, Nick would defeat Zerstörer with the help of Kelly, Marie, and Trubel then use the staff to alter reality to a timeline that didn’t include Zerstörer crossing over.
The end results may have been the same except there would been no role for Sean, Adalind, Diana or Kelly. Z would have not been after Diana if Nick did not love Adalind. In season 6 the groups were not talking to each other. Why would Adalind or Sean tell Nick about a scary dream that Diana had? Why would Adalind or Sean take Diana into the tunnels? Z would have focused on Eve and the scooby gang more to get Nick to give him the stick. Why would Nick take the stick to Sean's house if Diana was not in danger? Diana would have not been taken to where Eve went into the mirror which now could have been the loft where Eve was living at. Sean said right out if Diana was not in danger he would have nothing to do with helping Eve or Nick.
Z attacked the people Nick loved and were nearby to get the stick. If Nick did not love that person they were not at risk. Nick normally would have gone to the loft, spice shop or police station. I do not even think Nick knew where Sean lived.
If Nick did not love Adalind then Adalind would not be at risk and Adalind would not have died and she may have never gotten the ring off. If Bonaparte did not think Adalind loved Nick he might not have put the ring on Adalind in the first place.
http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/The_End
wiki: Adalind's ring is able to be taken off only after her death, breaking the curse Bonaparte had placed on it. ("Set Up")
RE: Nickliette/Neve Fanfiction - Robyn - 05-29-2017
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(05-29-2017, 04:05 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: The end results may have been the same except there would been no role for Sean, Adalind, Diana or Kelly.I don’t understand the complete disconnect between the characters that would occur if Nick and Adalind weren’t in a romantic relationship. Renard was separate from the core group and still managed to obtain key information and approach Nick. Adalind took charge in Nick’s absence and made the decision to contact Renard so they could combine and increase their two sets of information.
Quote:Z would have not been after Diana if Nick did not love Adalind.The woman Renard contacted (can’t remember her name) didn’t link Nick, Diana and Zerstörer. She referenced a biblical/historical prophesy of the destroyer seeking a child bride, not the Grimm’s stepchild. It was very near the end that Rosalee and others deciphered the prophecy of a Grimm enabling Zerstörer to cross over. Adalind’s immediate response would be to hide/protect Diana, but she wouldn’t disappear with Kelly without talking to Nick. But first and foremost, there wouldn’t be a pivotal storyline that wasn’t centered around Nick. Renard and Adalind wouldn’t simply take off and set up a separate storyline that would play out without Nick.
Quote:In season 6 the groups were not talking to each other. Why would Adalind or Sean tell Nick about a scary dream that Diana had? Why would Adalind or Sean take Diana into the tunnels? Z would have focused on Eve and the scooby gang more to get Nick to give him the stick. Why would Nick take the stick to Sean's house if Diana was not in danger? Diana would have not been taken to where Eve went into the mirror which now could have been the loft where Eve was living at. Sean said right out if Diana was not in danger he would have nothing to do with helping Eve or Nick.Again, I’m confused by the total disconnect. Whatever might be happening with Diana would concern Adalind. And just as she defied Nick in cannon and contacted Renard, she would have defied Renard if necessary and contacted Nick. Just as in cannon, once information was shared, the process would escalate until they formed a plan. Everyone could see the symbols in the tunnel. Juliette and Rosalee managed to decipher critical information.
Quote:Z attacked the people Nick loved and were nearby to get the stick. If Nick did not love that person they were not at risk. Nick normally would have gone to the loft, spice shop or police station. I do not even think Nick knew where Sean lived.Unless you’re suggesting that Nick would have been indifferent to Diana’s safety, I don’t understand why events wouldn’t have played out much the same. Renard and Adalind hiding out with the children while Nick attempts to defeat Zerstörer, and unknowingly leading Zerstörer to the hideout because he’s carrying the stick.
The one event I can surmise not happening if Adalind was totally disconnected from Nick because they weren’t in a romantic relationship is that Juliette wouldn’t have come to her for help, and/or, Adalind wouldn’t have handed over her mother’s books. Without that event, Juliette would have been unable to enter the other world, which means Nick wouldn’t have entered the other world, which means Zerstörer wouldn’t have been able to enter this world.
Quote:http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/The_EndWhether that was established or surmised because Nick removed the ring while Adalind was dead, had Nick not had reason to remove the ring, no one would be aware that her temporary death was the only time possible. In reality, the official version never presented Nick and Adalind searching for a way to remove the ring. Adalind is pretty much hanging out at the loft all day, if it was that big of a deal she would have been searching her mother's books.
wiki: Adalind's ring is able to be taken off only after her death, breaking the curse Bonaparte had placed on it. ("Set Up")
RE: Nickliette/Neve Fanfiction - MarylikesGrimm - 05-29-2017
(05-29-2017, 05:20 PM)Robyn Wrote:Quote:(05-29-2017, 04:05 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: The end results may have been the same except there would been no role for Sean, Adalind, Diana or Kelly.I don’t understand the complete disconnect between the characters that would occur if Nick and Adalind weren’t in a romantic relationship. Renard was separate from the core group and still managed to obtain key information and approach Nick. Adalind took charge in Nick’s absence and made the decision to contact Renard so they could combine and increase their two sets of information.
Your assumption is Nick does not love Adalind and Adalind does not love Nick. This is not about sex. IMO Nick loves Rosalee, Monroe and Eve.
In "The End", Diana, Trubel, Marie and mama Kelly said that Z had only attacked the people that Nick loved to get the stick therefore Diana never would have sense any danger for herself during season 6. In season 6, if Adalind was not in love with Nick once Sean got his own place Adalind could have lived at Sean's much better than the loft.
Diana, Sean and the Russian women would have never seen the symbols in the tunnel and since Diana was not at risk since Nick did not love her the symbols would say someone like Eve or Rosalee was in danger. People Nick loved.
In season 5, Adalind let Rosalee use her mother's book at the spice shop so one way or another Eve could have gotten Adalind's mother books since Adalind was not very attached to the books.
Trubel sensed Adalind loves Nick in "Wesen Nacht" 606 before Nick even sees Juliette.