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RE: S6E13 - The End - tscchope - 04-04-2017
(04-04-2017, 10:28 AM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: The impression I got was that as far as Zerstorer knew, he needed the stick wielded by a Grimm to open the portal so that he could pass through and find his child wife. At least, that's what the Althochdeutsch book in the spice shop seemed to say. Hexenbiests being able to do it as well may have been an unexpected bonus.Zerstorer need the blood of the Grimm to enter our world. The Staff needed the stick in order to come into our world. In order to enter the other realm, you need to be a Grimm and have the stick.
Juliette could not enter the other realm: Zerstorer couldn't enter our world. All the knowledge about the power of ones blood and egress and exit was provided to Nick by Diana's being in his mind filtered through into the illusion..
RE: S6E13 - The End - FaceInTheCrowd - 04-04-2017
Eve entered the other place using her blood. Nick entered using the stick and no blood.
RE: S6E13 - The End - tscchope - 04-04-2017
Juliette is not a Grimm and she did not have the stick. She could not have entered. The book was quite clear on the entry conditions. Only in the illusion Zerstorer wove around Nick did Juliettte enter the other realm.
RE: S6E13 - The End - speakeasy - 04-04-2017
(04-04-2017, 11:12 AM)tscchope Wrote:(04-04-2017, 10:28 AM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: The impression I got was that as far as Zerstorer knew, he needed the stick wielded by a Grimm to open the portal so that he could pass through and find his child wife. At least, that's what the Althochdeutsch book in the spice shop seemed to say. Hexenbiests being able to do it as well may have been an unexpected bonus.Zerstorer need the blood of the Grimm to enter our world. The Staff needed the stick in order to come into our world. In order to enter the other realm, you need to be a Grimm and have the stick.
Juliette could not enter the other realm: Zerstorer couldn't enter our world. All the knowledge about the power of ones blood and egress and exit was provided to Nick by Diana's being in his mind filtered through into the illusion..
But Eve was completely alone when she entered the portal, using her blood to do so. Diana said the stick didn't go thru the portal because it didn't belong there. I just don't follow you. And Eve sure did come flying back thru the portal with Nick at the end.
RE: S6E13 - The End - tscchope - 04-04-2017
(04-04-2017, 11:49 AM)speakeasy Wrote: But Eve was completely alone when she entered the portal, using her blood to do so. Diana said the stick didn't go thru the portal because it didn't belong there. I just don't follow you. And Eve sure did come flying back thru the portal with Nick at the end.The staff and the stick are one. Zerstorer could influence Nick into believing what Zerstorer wanted him to believe, because he held the staff and Nick had the stick. Nick went in, he thought to rescue Juliette, but in reality Juliette never entered and Nick was giving Zerstorer the chance to get what he needed.
At the end, only Nick came crashing through.
Diana needed Nick in the illusion to believe that the stick didn't go through, because she needed to be able to get Trubel in, later on.
Zerstoter needed Nick for his blood, and the stick, to be freely given to rejoin the staff. Once Diana had opened the portal for Trubel, the stick went back to Nick, sop he could almost give it freely to Zerstorer.
RE: S6E13 - The End - speakeasy - 04-04-2017
(04-04-2017, 12:13 PM)tscchope Wrote:(04-04-2017, 11:49 AM)speakeasy Wrote: But Eve was completely alone when she entered the portal, using her blood to do so. Diana said the stick didn't go thru the portal because it didn't belong there. I just don't follow you. And Eve sure did come flying back thru the portal with Nick at the end.The staff and the stick are one. Zerstorer could influence Nick into believing what Zerstorer wanted him to believe, because he held the staff and Nick had the stick. Nick went in, he thought to rescue Juliette, but in reality Juliette never entered and Nick was giving Zerstorer the chance to get what he needed.
At the end, only Nick came crashing through.
Diana needed Nick in the illusion to believe that the stick didn't go through, because she needed to be able to get Trubel in, later on.
Zerstoter needed Nick for his blood, and the stick, to be freely given to rejoin the staff. Once Diana had opened the portal for Trubel, the stick went back to Nick, sop he could almost give it freely to Zerstorer.
Do you agree with the Prophecy message that a great evil was coming on March 24?
RE: S6E13 - The End - FaceInTheCrowd - 04-04-2017
Just give it up. Once someone goes into fanwank mode there's no arguing with it. It doesn't matter one bit that you can clearly see both Nick and Eve crashing through the mirror and the pass-through into the living room.
RE: S6E13 - The End - MarylikesGrimm - 04-04-2017
(04-04-2017, 12:18 PM)speakeasy Wrote: Do you agree with the Prophecy message that a great evil was coming on March 24?
No, it was a possible date for a great evil to come that Nick and Diana avoided.
RE: S6E13 - The End - rpmaluki - 04-04-2017
(04-04-2017, 12:13 PM)tscchope Wrote:We saw Eve go through the mirror and then her and Nick came through it again, twice. When Nick went around hugging his friends, Monroe said they were worried about Nick and Eve because they just came from the other side. There was no illusion.(04-04-2017, 11:49 AM)speakeasy Wrote: But Eve was completely alone when she entered the portal, using her blood to do so. Diana said the stick didn't go thru the portal because it didn't belong there. I just don't follow you. And Eve sure did come flying back thru the portal with Nick at the end.The staff and the stick are one. Zerstorer could influence Nick into believing what Zerstorer wanted him to believe, because he held the staff and Nick had the stick. Nick went in, he thought to rescue Juliette, but in reality Juliette never entered and Nick was giving Zerstorer the chance to get what he needed.
At the end, only Nick came crashing through.
Diana needed Nick in the illusion to believe that the stick didn't go through, because she needed to be able to get Trubel in, later on.
Zerstoter needed Nick for his blood, and the stick, to be freely given to rejoin the staff. Once Diana had opened the portal for Trubel, the stick went back to Nick, sop he could almost give it freely to Zerstorer.
RE: S6E13 - The End - speakeasy - 04-04-2017
(04-04-2017, 12:59 PM)rpmaluki Wrote:(04-04-2017, 12:13 PM)tscchope Wrote:We saw Eve go through the mirror and then her and Nick came through it again, twice. When Nick went around hugging his friends, Monroe said they were worried about Nick and Eve because they just came from the other side. There was no illusion.(04-04-2017, 11:49 AM)speakeasy Wrote: But Eve was completely alone when she entered the portal, using her blood to do so. Diana said the stick didn't go thru the portal because it didn't belong there. I just don't follow you. And Eve sure did come flying back thru the portal with Nick at the end.The staff and the stick are one. Zerstorer could influence Nick into believing what Zerstorer wanted him to believe, because he held the staff and Nick had the stick. Nick went in, he thought to rescue Juliette, but in reality Juliette never entered and Nick was giving Zerstorer the chance to get what he needed.
At the end, only Nick came crashing through.
Diana needed Nick in the illusion to believe that the stick didn't go through, because she needed to be able to get Trubel in, later on.
Zerstoter needed Nick for his blood, and the stick, to be freely given to rejoin the staff. Once Diana had opened the portal for Trubel, the stick went back to Nick, sop he could almost give it freely to Zerstorer.
So the illusion was an illusion, what a relief. Thanks, I have never come across that kind of thing before; and I've already admitted that I am very credulous.
(04-04-2017, 12:47 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(04-04-2017, 12:18 PM)speakeasy Wrote: Do you agree with the Prophecy message that a great evil was coming on March 24?
No, it was a possible date for a great evil to come that Nick and Diana avoided.
I agree with most of what you say, but the prophecy was silent about how to deal with the evil that Nick and Diana avoided; just a warning that it was coming. It left the outcome in the hands of those who had to face it. So the date and the prophecy were correct, imo.
(04-04-2017, 12:47 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: Just give it up. Once someone goes into fanwank mode there's no arguing with it. It doesn't matter one bit that you can clearly see both Nick and Eve crashing through the mirror and the pass-through into the living room.
That's a big Roger, over and out.
