(04-03-2017, 07:08 AM)Mrtrick Wrote: There is a possibility to consider, that the prophecy about Diana is separate from all of this Zerstorer business. It could be about something she'll do as a grown woman.

(04-03-2017, 06:56 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:

(04-03-2017, 06:20 AM)speakeasy Wrote: At this point, I'm going with the idea that it all happened as presented and the Z-portal gave Nick to ability to snip out a whole segment of time/space/reality.

I have a mental picture of the events beginning with Nick/Eve originally falling through the mirror without the hexenbiest, just before Z crossed over as Point A. Then the chaos ensues with Z killing everybody and some and then Nick finally killing him outside the cabin and wanting everyone back as Point B, like a line from one point to the other on a piece of paper. The staff simply folded space and time exactly between points A and B when Nick fell through the second portal at the cabin. Nick wanted to restore what was lost, the staff took the initiative of doing so on a grander scale as opposed to Nick poking people one at a time.

(04-03-2017, 06:20 AM)speakeasy Wrote: At this point, I'm going with the idea that it all happened as presented and the Z-portal gave Nick to ability to snip out a whole segment of time/space/reality. She retained a memory of what really happened because she was gifted beyond the ordinary to hold onto the record of events and because she was the axis upon which the whole prophecy turned. In my opinion, of course.

(04-03-2017, 07:03 AM)Devegs Wrote: In one of the interviews that G&K gave, IIRC, they did say that one of the reasons they had Kelly Burkhadt narrate the story of how Nick battled with the Zestorer had to do with explaining how it happened or that it even happened at all. That's why Kelly would verify that it all happened just as it was told and it wasn't a fairytale because 'his father told him so!'... they really had seemed to like that last part. Basically, there is no explanation (unless I missed an interview where they gave one) for how this ultimate battle with Zestorer happened and the 'hard reset' (their own words) where time got altered, etc. except that it did happen.

(04-03-2017, 07:32 AM)speakeasy Wrote:

(04-03-2017, 06:56 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:

(04-03-2017, 06:20 AM)speakeasy Wrote: At this point, I'm going with the idea that it all happened as presented and the Z-portal gave Nick to ability to snip out a whole segment of time/space/reality.

I have a mental picture of the events beginning with Nick/Eve originally falling through the mirror without the hexenbiest, just before Z crossed over as Point A. Then the chaos ensues with Z killing everybody and some and then Nick finally killing him outside the cabin and wanting everyone back as Point B, like a line from one point to the other on a piece of paper. The staff simply folded space and time exactly between points A and B when Nick fell through the second portal at the cabin. Nick wanted to restore what was lost, the staff took the initiative of doing so on a grander scale as opposed to Nick poking people one at a time.

I accept this concept. However. I am uncomfortable with the idea of that staff being so capable regardless of who is its master. I am trying to suss out a hypothesis that suggests that the master is the one who controls it and not the other way around. But now I think of it, that's not so good either. It should be destroyed.

(04-03-2017, 07:32 AM)speakeasy Wrote:

(04-03-2017, 06:56 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:

(04-03-2017, 06:20 AM)speakeasy Wrote: At this point, I'm going with the idea that it all happened as presented and the Z-portal gave Nick to ability to snip out a whole segment of time/space/reality.

I have a mental picture of the events beginning with Nick/Eve originally falling through the mirror without the hexenbiest, just before Z crossed over as Point A. Then the chaos ensues with Z killing everybody and some and then Nick finally killing him outside the cabin and wanting everyone back as Point B, like a line from one point to the other on a piece of paper. The staff simply folded space and time exactly between points A and B when Nick fell through the second portal at the cabin. Nick wanted to restore what was lost, the staff took the initiative of doing so on a grander scale as opposed to Nick poking people one at a time.

I accept this concept. However. I am uncomfortable with the idea of that staff being so capable regardless of who is its master. I am trying to suss out a hypothesis that suggests that the master is the one who controls it and not the other way around. But now I think of it, that's not so good either. It should be destroyed.

(04-03-2017, 08:14 AM)Mrtrick Wrote:

(04-03-2017, 07:32 AM)speakeasy Wrote:

(04-03-2017, 06:56 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:

(04-03-2017, 06:20 AM)speakeasy Wrote: At this point, I'm going with the idea that it all happened as presented and the Z-portal gave Nick to ability to snip out a whole segment of time/space/reality.

I have a mental picture of the events beginning with Nick/Eve originally falling through the mirror without the hexenbiest, just before Z crossed over as Point A. Then the chaos ensues with Z killing everybody and some and then Nick finally killing him outside the cabin and wanting everyone back as Point B, like a line from one point to the other on a piece of paper. The staff simply folded space and time exactly between points A and B when Nick fell through the second portal at the cabin. Nick wanted to restore what was lost, the staff took the initiative of doing so on a grander scale as opposed to Nick poking people one at a time.

I accept this concept. However. I am uncomfortable with the idea of that staff being so capable regardless of who is its master. I am trying to suss out a hypothesis that suggests that the master is the one who controls it and not the other way around. But now I think of it, that's not so good either. It should be destroyed.

The staff can never be completely destroyed, only broken down into pieces that need to be hidden. This would start this business all over again. It's possible that the staff was always intended to be used by the forces of good, but got corrupted by Zerstorer. It's ultimate Genesis remains a mystery. Kelly told Nick to keep it safe, and since she was speaking from the great beyond, it's likely she has insight into the matter that no one else would. If the Grimm has divine origins, then part of their mandate may be to use such holy relics in the fight against evil. They've had the staff for twenty years and clearly understand it's implications, otherwise Nick wouldn't allow Kelly and Diana to use it. In the intervening years, I imagine Monroe, Rosalee, Adalind and Eve have done a massive battery of tests and research on the staff. If they feel confident that it's safe enough to keep as a regular part of the arsenal, I'm sure they have their justification. Besides, with Zerstorer gone, the individuals with the greatest capability to use it, are all on team Grimm. Diana in particular, since she's unique in the world, with power who's upper limits we've probably not scratched the surface of. The strength of their family unit is what makes this situation different from the past. Where once the Grimm's were loners who could only agree in so much that the stick should be hidden and no one could be trusted with it's power, now they are a collective force who are able to lean on each other. In those twenty years, it's likely that team Grimm has even evolved beyond what we already know. Maybe they've created a solid network amongst all the Grimm, knowing as they now do, that they're all related. Their outreach into the Wesen community has also likely grown, forging bonds thought impossible in the past. This may even include the rebuilt council, which I wouldn't be surprised to find Monroe and Rosalee have an active roll in. I'm thinking team Grimm is massively powerful by this point, and that staff is as secure with them as it is anywhere else.

(04-03-2017, 08:20 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(04-03-2017, 08:14 AM)Mrtrick Wrote:

(04-03-2017, 07:32 AM)speakeasy Wrote:

(04-03-2017, 06:56 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:

(04-03-2017, 06:20 AM)speakeasy Wrote: At this point, I'm going with the idea that it all happened as presented and the Z-portal gave Nick to ability to snip out a whole segment of time/space/reality.

I have a mental picture of the events beginning with Nick/Eve originally falling through the mirror without the hexenbiest, just before Z crossed over as Point A. Then the chaos ensues with Z killing everybody and some and then Nick finally killing him outside the cabin and wanting everyone back as Point B, like a line from one point to the other on a piece of paper. The staff simply folded space and time exactly between points A and B when Nick fell through the second portal at the cabin. Nick wanted to restore what was lost, the staff took the initiative of doing so on a grander scale as opposed to Nick poking people one at a time.

I accept this concept. However. I am uncomfortable with the idea of that staff being so capable regardless of who is its master. I am trying to suss out a hypothesis that suggests that the master is the one who controls it and not the other way around. But now I think of it, that's not so good either. It should be destroyed.

The staff can never be completely destroyed, only broken down into pieces that need to be hidden. This would start this business all over again. It's possible that the staff was always intended to be used by the forces of good, but got corrupted by Zerstorer. It's ultimate Genesis remains a mystery. Kelly told Nick to keep it safe, and since she was speaking from the great beyond, it's likely she has insight into the matter that no one else would. If the Grimm has divine origins, then part of their mandate may be to use such holy relics in the fight against evil. They've had the staff for twenty years and clearly understand it's implications, otherwise Nick wouldn't allow Kelly and Diana to use it. In the intervening years, I imagine Monroe, Rosalee, Adalind and Eve have done a massive battery of tests and research on the staff. If they feel confident that it's safe enough to keep as a regular part of the arsenal, I'm sure they have their justification. Besides, with Zerstorer gone, the individuals with the greatest capability to use it, are all on team Grimm. Diana in particular, since she's unique in the world, with power who's upper limits we've probably not scratched the surface of. The strength of their family unit is what makes this situation different from the past. Where once the Grimm's were loners who could only agree in so much that the stick should be hidden and no one could be trusted with it's power, now they are a collective force who are able to lean on each other. In those twenty years, it's likely that team Grimm has even evolved beyond what we already know. Maybe they've created a solid network amongst all the Grimm, knowing as they now do, that they're all related. Their outreach into the Wesen community has also likely grown, forging bonds thought impossible in the past. This may even include the rebuilt council, which I wouldn't be surprised to find Monroe and Rosalee have an active roll in. I'm thinking team Grimm is massively powerful by this point, and that staff is as secure with them as it is anywhere else.

This may have been asked someway but if not I'll ask it? Diana said the stick didn't belong there when Nick when thur the mirror so how did the rest of the staff get there?

(04-03-2017, 07:32 AM)speakeasy Wrote: I accept this concept. However. I am uncomfortable with the idea of that staff being so capable regardless of who is its master. I am trying to suss out a hypothesis that suggests that the master is the one who controls it and not the other way around. But now I think of it, that's not so good either. It should be destroyed.

(04-03-2017, 08:14 AM)Mrtrick Wrote: The staff can never be completely destroyed, only broken down into pieces that need to be hidden. This would start this business all over again. It's possible that the staff was always intended to be used by the forces of good, but got corrupted by Zerstorer. It's ultimate Genesis remains a mystery. Kelly told Nick to keep it safe, and since she was speaking from the great beyond, it's likely she has insight into the matter that no one else would. If the Grimm has divine origins, then part of their mandate may be to use such holy relics in the fight against evil. They've had the staff for twenty years and clearly understand it's implications, otherwise Nick wouldn't allow Kelly and Diana to use it. In the intervening years, I imagine Monroe, Rosalee, Adalind and Eve have done a massive battery of tests and research on the staff. If they feel confident that it's safe enough to keep as a regular part of the arsenal, I'm sure they have their justification. Besides, with Zerstorer gone, the individuals with the greatest capability to use it, are all on team Grimm. Diana in particular, since she's unique in the world, with power who's upper limits we've probably not scratched the surface of. The strength of their family unit is what makes this situation different from the past. Where once the Grimm's were loners who could only agree in so much that the stick should be hidden and no one could be trusted with it's power, now they are a collective force who are able to lean on each other. In those twenty years, it's likely that team Grimm has even evolved beyond what we already know. Maybe they've created a solid network amongst all the Grimm, knowing as they now do, that they're all related. Their outreach into the Wesen community has also likely grown, forging bonds thought impossible in the past. This may even include the rebuilt council, which I wouldn't be surprised to find Monroe and Rosalee have an active roll in. I'm thinking team Grimm is massively powerful by this point, and that staff is as secure with them as it is anywhere else.