(03-31-2017, 08:17 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:

(03-31-2017, 08:10 AM)irukandji Wrote:

(03-31-2017, 08:09 AM)Circe27 Wrote: I think it's more a hypothetical question of "would he' then actually trying to change the past.

Exactly right. Rather than dredging up the rape again, I wanted to look at it from a different perspective.

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(03-31-2017, 08:06 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: Changing the past = time travel = doing it over again

I know what I was asking and why. Time travel had nothing to do with it.

No, I do not understand you. Nick would have to go do it all over again since he did not time travel. If Nick was the same Nick why would anything change?

(03-31-2017, 08:26 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: You can't have the opportunity to do something without some form of time travelling. With that that, Nick will simply repeat his actions not having any knowledge of the future.

(03-31-2017, 08:17 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: If you want to invent fantasy place where time travel has different rules than you need to state your fantasy rules. Grimm states it's fantasy rules.

(03-31-2017, 08:23 AM)Circe27 Wrote:

(03-31-2017, 08:17 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:

(03-31-2017, 08:10 AM)irukandji Wrote:

(03-31-2017, 08:09 AM)Circe27 Wrote: I think it's more a hypothetical question of "would he' then actually trying to change the past.

Exactly right. Rather than dredging up the rape again, I wanted to look at it from a different perspective.

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(03-31-2017, 08:06 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: Changing the past = time travel = doing it over again

I know what I was asking and why. Time travel had nothing to do with it.

No, I do not understand you. Nick would have to go do it all over again since he did not time travel. If Nick was the same Nick why would anything change?

It's a "what if" question, not like he would actually go back and try to change the past. It won't change anything that has or will happened, it's just something to think about not actually do.

(03-31-2017, 08:31 AM)Circe27 Wrote:

(03-31-2017, 08:17 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: If you want to invent fantasy place where time travel has different rules than you need to state your fantasy rules. Grimm states it's fantasy rules.

That's not what we are trying to do at all. This is like if someone asked "If you could go back to one specific moment in your life were you had to make a difficult choice, would you make the same decision?" There is no way for you to go back and change your decision, it's impossible, but you use the question as an opportunity to go over the choice and think of the outcome if you made a different decision. We're not talking about going back and changing the past.

(03-31-2017, 08:36 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:

(03-31-2017, 08:31 AM)Circe27 Wrote:

(03-31-2017, 08:17 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: If you want to invent fantasy place where time travel has different rules than you need to state your fantasy rules. Grimm states it's fantasy rules.

That's not what we are trying to do at all. This is like if someone asked "If you could go back to one specific moment in your life were you had to make a difficult choice, would you make the same decision?" There is no way for you to go back and change your decision, it's impossible, but you use the question as an opportunity to go over the choice and think of the outcome if you made a different decision. We're not talking about going back and changing the past.

There is no way to know that outcome of a large change in the past. If you asked me if I change my color of my car I can guess what the outcome would be. When you remove your only child from your life how could I guess the outcome?

(03-31-2017, 08:56 AM)irukandji Wrote:

(03-31-2017, 08:36 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:

(03-31-2017, 08:31 AM)Circe27 Wrote:

(03-31-2017, 08:17 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: If you want to invent fantasy place where time travel has different rules than you need to state your fantasy rules. Grimm states it's fantasy rules.

That's not what we are trying to do at all. This is like if someone asked "If you could go back to one specific moment in your life were you had to make a difficult choice, would you make the same decision?" There is no way for you to go back and change your decision, it's impossible, but you use the question as an opportunity to go over the choice and think of the outcome if you made a different decision. We're not talking about going back and changing the past.

There is no way to know that outcome of a large change in the past. If you asked me if I change my color of my car I can guess what the outcome would be. When you remove your only child from your life how could I guess the outcome?

I don't understand your point. What does the color of your car have to do with speculating if Nick would take the same steps to keep his baby son?

(03-31-2017, 09:03 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:

(03-31-2017, 08:56 AM)irukandji Wrote:

(03-31-2017, 08:36 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:

(03-31-2017, 08:31 AM)Circe27 Wrote:

(03-31-2017, 08:17 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: If you want to invent fantasy place where time travel has different rules than you need to state your fantasy rules. Grimm states it's fantasy rules.

That's not what we are trying to do at all. This is like if someone asked "If you could go back to one specific moment in your life were you had to make a difficult choice, would you make the same decision?" There is no way for you to go back and change your decision, it's impossible, but you use the question as an opportunity to go over the choice and think of the outcome if you made a different decision. We're not talking about going back and changing the past.

There is no way to know that outcome of a large change in the past. If you asked me if I change my color of my car I can guess what the outcome would be. When you remove your only child from your life how could I guess the outcome?

I don't understand your point. What does the color of your car have to do with speculating if Nick would take the same steps to keep his baby son?

You can guess a likely outcome of a small change in your life in the past but not a large one. "What if" does not work with a big change like not having a child since you cannot accurately guess what would happen instead it would be like a random event at best.