(04-12-2017, 04:43 AM)irukandji Wrote:

(04-11-2017, 11:41 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:

(04-11-2017, 09:54 PM)Tara Wrote: And this is not something a woman should think about, let alone a pregnant woman who feels her baby kicking in her belly.

Adalind was very early in your pregnancy when she said her negative remarks and as the pregnancy moved on she regretted it. The only way Adalind can do redemption is to keep her children safe and take care of them the best she can.

She was not early in her pregnancy with Diana. She did something horrible when she rubbed that cream on her stomach. It appeared Diana didn't like that at all as she did her skull thing in response. I took it to mean Adalind hurt her in some way to make her more powerful.

I agree that the only way Adalind can redeem herself is to keep her children safe and take care of them the best she can. But I don't think she did as I was extremely disappointed in the finale that both had become grimms. Not only that, but Monroe's kids too. All of these parents should have had their heads examined.

(04-12-2017, 04:43 AM)irukandji Wrote: I agree that the only way Adalind can redeem herself is to keep her children safe and take care of them the best she can. But I don't think she did as I was extremely disappointed in the finale that both had become grimms. Not only that, but Monroe's kids too. All of these parents should have had their heads examined.

(04-12-2017, 12:49 PM)Mrtrick Wrote:

(04-12-2017, 04:43 AM)irukandji Wrote: I agree that the only way Adalind can redeem herself is to keep her children safe and take care of them the best she can. But I don't think she did as I was extremely disappointed in the finale that both had become grimms. Not only that, but Monroe's kids too. All of these parents should have had their heads examined.

Twenty years later, those kids seem to be doing well, so I'm not sure how you think Nick, Adalind and everyone else has failed them. And technically, Kelly is the only one who's a literal Grimm. But that's genetics, plain and simple. Even if he's working at a car wash in Boise Idaho, he's still going to be a Grimm. Monroe and Rosalee are Wesen, so it's not like they can divorce themselves from their community. I suppose they could leave Portland, move out to the country and isolate themselves from all possible dangers. But they have a drive to help people. A nature they discovered because of Nick. What lesson are they instilling in their children if they run and hide because the world is a threatening place. That's the guy Monroe was when the show began. Cloistered in his little world, working on his clocks, unwilling to engage. He has a real life now because he got dragged into that big dangerous world. And Adalind's situation is even more precarious. If she wasn't with Nick, and found herself bent on keeping the kids away from this life, how does she do this? Leave Portland and hide the kids so Nick and Sean can't find them? Lie to them about who they are and where they come from? If they do find out, do you try and stop them from learning more? At what point does sheltering them turn into a prison? Or Perhaps you think Nick and Renard would be okay with not knowing their children. As if it's better for Diana and Kelly to have no relationship with their fathers. Maybe they get to see them on the holidays. Or every other weekend. "But whatever you do, don't tell them anything to specific about your life or who they really are." And how do you deal with Diana's abilities? Should she learn to tamp them down, so she can be like everyone else? Do you tell her they're evil and can't be used? Hopefully that doesn't end with a Prom incident involving Pig's Blood and fire. Or maybe you just tell Diana that her powers serve no purpose. That she's not special and in no way should she ever use those gifts to help people. Explain to me the scenario where the kids are removed from all possible dangers, save for paper cuts and stubbed toes. How does it make sense? How does it end well? How do these characters end up fulfilled? You seem to know, so enlighten us.

(04-12-2017, 03:31 PM)irukandji Wrote: So you believe that having sex in the guise of another person and getting pregnant is really a good way to start a family? What about having someone bite you and you contaminate them with your blood because you know that will render them powerless? How about different types of enemies breaking into your house because they view you as a nemesis and in reality, you know they're right? What about flagrant disregard of an oath you took as a public servant because of some nonsense grimm thing?

(04-12-2017, 03:50 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:

(04-12-2017, 03:31 PM)irukandji Wrote: So you believe that having sex in the guise of another person and getting pregnant is really a good way to start a family? What about having someone bite you and you contaminate them with your blood because you know that will render them powerless? How about different types of enemies breaking into your house because they view you as a nemesis and in reality, you know they're right? What about flagrant disregard of an oath you took as a public servant because of some nonsense grimm thing?

I would have love it Kelly had created a secure wesen/grimm newsletter that was popular. In order to build a better community society always had to create ways to better communicate.

(04-12-2017, 04:43 AM)irukandji Wrote: I agree that the only way Adalind can redeem herself is to keep her children safe and take care of them the best she can. But I don't think she did as I was extremely disappointed in the finale that both had become grimms. Not only that, but Monroe's kids too. All of these parents should have had their heads examined.

(04-12-2017, 03:31 PM)irukandji Wrote:

(04-12-2017, 12:49 PM)Mrtrick Wrote:

(04-12-2017, 04:43 AM)irukandji Wrote: I agree that the only way Adalind can redeem herself is to keep her children safe and take care of them the best she can. But I don't think she did as I was extremely disappointed in the finale that both had become grimms. Not only that, but Monroe's kids too. All of these parents should have had their heads examined.

Twenty years later, those kids seem to be doing well, so I'm not sure how you think Nick, Adalind and everyone else has failed them. And technically, Kelly is the only one who's a literal Grimm. But that's genetics, plain and simple. Even if he's working at a car wash in Boise Idaho, he's still going to be a Grimm. Monroe and Rosalee are Wesen, so it's not like they can divorce themselves from their community. I suppose they could leave Portland, move out to the country and isolate themselves from all possible dangers. But they have a drive to help people. A nature they discovered because of Nick. What lesson are they instilling in their children if they run and hide because the world is a threatening place. That's the guy Monroe was when the show began. Cloistered in his little world, working on his clocks, unwilling to engage. He has a real life now because he got dragged into that big dangerous world. And Adalind's situation is even more precarious. If she wasn't with Nick, and found herself bent on keeping the kids away from this life, how does she do this? Leave Portland and hide the kids so Nick and Sean can't find them? Lie to them about who they are and where they come from? If they do find out, do you try and stop them from learning more? At what point does sheltering them turn into a prison? Or Perhaps you think Nick and Renard would be okay with not knowing their children. As if it's better for Diana and Kelly to have no relationship with their fathers. Maybe they get to see them on the holidays. Or every other weekend. "But whatever you do, don't tell them anything to specific about your life or who they really are." And how do you deal with Diana's abilities? Should she learn to tamp them down, so she can be like everyone else? Do you tell her they're evil and can't be used? Hopefully that doesn't end with a Prom incident involving Pig's Blood and fire. Or maybe you just tell Diana that her powers serve no purpose. That she's not special and in no way should she ever use those gifts to help people. Explain to me the scenario where the kids are removed from all possible dangers, save for paper cuts and stubbed toes. How does it make sense? How does it end well? How do these characters end up fulfilled? You seem to know, so enlighten us.

So you believe that having sex in the guise of another person and getting pregnant is really a good way to start a family? What about having someone bite you and you contaminate them with your blood because you know that will render them powerless? How about different types of enemies breaking into your house because they view you as a nemesis and in reality, you know they're right? What about flagrant disregard of an oath you took as a public servant because of some nonsense grimm thing that in fact, you really don't know a heck of a lot about? I guess you think this is a normal all in the day of the life.

Is it really fair for Nick to visit this kind of insanity on his children? It seems cruel to force them into a life of killing and mayhem. What about Adalind? She vowed at one point to raise her children right. Is that kind of cruelty really raising one's children right?

(04-12-2017, 07:18 PM)rpmaluki Wrote: When Nick and Adalind did those things to one another, they weren't trying to start a relationship. They were enemies doing what they believed they had to for those they loved (Hank and Diana). Just because they fell in love later doesn't change the context of those actions.

Quote:Being a grimm on this show superceded any oaths Nick may have taken. Besides Trubel, I don't know about other Grimms whether they were cops or not, all I know is they have a calling that forces them to act outside of society's laws, breaking so many of them in order to maintain order between the human and wesen communities. It's been that way for hundreds of years. Nick couldn't change this aspect of his new found heritage even if he tried and try he did, at the beginning, but more and more he came across cases that demanded he deal with them as a grimm and not as a cop. To expect differently is to have a vastly different show than the one originally presented, a supernatural, cop procedural show.

Quote:When Adalind declared she wanted to raise her children right, she wasn't talking about shuffling them away in the middle of nowhere to keep them out of danger, she was talking about raising them differently to how Catherine raised her, taking advantage of her kids, their power for selfish purposes. Catherine used Adalind not only to pay off her debt to Renard but to mould her into something that showed disregard for others, their pain and suffering.

(04-12-2017, 08:56 PM)irukandji Wrote: Catherine apparently raised Adalind with a tendency to harm and/or kill. In the last episode we heard Diana urging Kelly to hurry up so they could kill some wesen. I don't have the exact phrase here, so I am paraphrasing.

Diana's reaction to hurting and killing is no different than her mother's reaction. That's not raising your children right.