(08-13-2017, 08:33 AM)Robyn Wrote: I’ve always considered absolute hatred of a character to be as nonsensical and unbalanced as absolute adulation of a character. Depending on the biased direction, everything is either Juliette’s fault or Adalind’s fault. It appears to me that some viewers shared G & K’s chauvinist views - everything bad that happened to the male ‘hero’ was the fault of an evil or confused or ungrateful female - making Juliette and/or Adalind on-going culprits behind Nick’s woe-is-me drama.

To blame Kelly’s death solely on Juliette is akin to laying all the fault on Nick - much of the fallout would have been avoided if he’d ended his relationship with Juliette when he became a Grimm. It’s an accurate statement but it’s unfair and requires a knowledge of where every path would lead.

Kelly didn’t automatically deserve a death sentence because she stole someone’s child, but her death was the result of her actions. Adalind didn’t deserve to have her baby stolen because of bad decisions and selfish actions, but they led to her losing Diana. Juliette didn’t deserve to become a Hexenbiest, but her freely-made choices led to her becoming one.

It could be that G & K’s lack of commitment to the characters and their storyline’s is the reason Juliette and Adalind are either completely at fault or free of fault and rarely a balanced combination of the two extremes. Instead of making a decision that Juliette would slide to the dark side and committing to it, G & K lobbed her back and forth without exploring the various reasons for her wavering behavior. But it was never about that character and her story, it was about Nick’s woe-is-me drama - caused by Juliette becoming a Hexenbiest and violent, and Adalind becoming pregnant and vulnerable. The two female characters didn’t have storylines that stood on their own, but rather, drifted inside Nick’s shadow.

Diana didn’t learn about Juliette’s involvement in Kelly’s death because the scene wasn’t about Diana, and certainly not about Juliette receiving punishment - deserved or alleged. It was a cue card scene to express Juliette’s remorse and establish her firmly in the good guy camp - look into the camera and show a glimpse of regret/heartache.

(08-13-2017, 11:15 AM)dicappatore Wrote: Robyn, are you reading your own posts after you write them? You go on ranting how it’s the male character fault for Juliette’s misfortunes for not breaking off the relationship. Then then you only mention the female characters doing all the damage to each other. I have many post blaming the Royals, all males, including Sean for the orchestrations of Juliette’s demise. But last time I looked, it was a female that did most of the direct damage to Juliette. It was Juliette who was the pivotal character that made Kenneth’s success come to fruition and wipe out a whole neighborhood and Kelly's death.

In my walks in life, for the most part, on the job and in family situations, it is the women that do most of the continuing arguing and the craftsmanship of making mountains out of molehills. The only few females that I have met that weren’t as argumentative in my experiences are the ones in a lesbian relationships who are the more masculine in the relationship. Yea Men argue, most of the time they make their point, even might swing it out. When it’s done, you have a winner and a looser and it’s over. Now is this a condemnation on all the women in the world? Of course not. I haven’t met them all. But based on my experiences and exposure to the female gender which made me come to make that conclusion. You might consider it chauvinistic. I consider it reality.

Maybe, just maybe, the authors were basing their writings on their experiences in life similar to mines. You should check out the series “Scandal” I am told the writing and production and main characters is under the influence of many minority females and the characters aren’t much different.

As for Juliette’s look of regret is enough remorse for what she did? Obviously we live in different worlds.

As for your interpretation of the G & K chauvinistic views? The series is title “Grimm”. Last time I looked more than one male Grimm were mentioned in the series, but as I recall we were only introduced to two of them, Nick and Josh’s dad. We were introduced to three female Grimms, Aunt Marie, Kelly, and Trubel. All three were "Kick Ass" to the male gender. Not whining damsels in distress like Juliette who's best male interactions was to be suspicious and willing to easily spread her legs!

(08-13-2017, 01:44 PM)Robyn Wrote:

(08-13-2017, 11:15 AM)dicappatore Wrote: Robyn, are you reading your own posts after you write them? You go on ranting how it’s the male character fault for Juliette’s misfortunes for not breaking off the relationship. Then then you only mention the female characters doing all the damage to each other. I have many post blaming the Royals, all males, including Sean for the orchestrations of Juliette’s demise. But last time I looked, it was a female that did most of the direct damage to Juliette. It was Juliette who was the pivotal character that made Kenneth’s success come to fruition and wipe out a whole neighborhood and Kelly's death.

In my walks in life, for the most part, on the job and in family situations, it is the women that do most of the continuing arguing and the craftsmanship of making mountains out of molehills. The only few females that I have met that weren’t as argumentative in my experiences are the ones in a lesbian relationships who are the more masculine in the relationship. Yea Men argue, most of the time they make their point, even might swing it out. When it’s done, you have a winner and a looser and it’s over. Now is this a condemnation on all the women in the world? Of course not. I haven’t met them all. But based on my experiences and exposure to the female gender which made me come to make that conclusion. You might consider it chauvinistic. I consider it reality.

Maybe, just maybe, the authors were basing their writings on their experiences in life similar to mines. You should check out the series “Scandal” I am told the writing and production and main characters is under the influence of many minority females and the characters aren’t much different.

As for Juliette’s look of regret is enough remorse for what she did? Obviously we live in different worlds.

As for your interpretation of the G & K chauvinistic views? The series is title “Grimm”. Last time I looked more than one male Grimm were mentioned in the series, but as I recall we were only introduced to two of them, Nick and Josh’s dad. We were introduced to three female Grimms, Aunt Marie, Kelly, and Trubel. All three were "Kick Ass" to the male gender. Not whining damsels in distress like Juliette who's best male interactions was to be suspicious and willing to easily spread her legs!

I didn’t rant. I simply disagreed with a narrow minded point of view about a female character in a difficult situation. Nor did I make it about the battle of the sexes. G & K did that.

Adalind could only complete a spell on Hank by having sex with him. Taking Nick’s Grimm required Adalind having sex with him while looking like Juliette. Restoring Nick’s Grimm required Juliette to have sex with him while looking like Adalind. Why stop there - Eve turning into Renard offered up some girl on girl action.

Nick turns into Renard and the two have a pissing contest. A scene of Adalind in Nick's shirt and another in a towel made the cut. A scene of Nick walking around the loft in a towel was dropped on the cutting room floor. Yea, there’s no boys will be boys mentality there.

As for Juliette having multiple sex partners - can these women only have sex if it's required for a spell or if Nick wants to have sex with them? Maybe the writers were basing their stories on the principle that sex sells. Or maybe they distinguished a good girl from a bad girl by who she had sex with. Juliette was good when she only had sex with Nick. Adalind was good once she only had sex with Nick.

Chauvinism - don't know what made me think of that.