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Which came first the cloth or the stick - jsgrimm45 - 02-09-2017
We don't know which came first the cloth or the stick, or did they both come at the same time? Why is this important we know unless the 7 knights had a hexenbiest along they never seen what was on the cloth, now they did likely put the warning on the cloth.
Now if the stick came first and the knights just used it to wrap up the stick and put a warning on the cloth than the relic put the symbols on the cloth. Then this give the stick another power.
If the cloth was always with the stick than someone else put the hidden symbols on the cloth at likely the same time.
So does this change anything? Like does the cloth cxl the power of stick in some way?
RE: Witch came first the cloth or the stick - Kathryn Wooten - 02-09-2017
(02-09-2017, 11:34 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: We don't know which came first the cloth or the stick, or did they both come at the same time? Why is this important we know unless the 7 knights had a hexenbiest along they never seen what was on the cloth, now they did likely put the warning on the cloth.
Now if the stick came first and the knights just used it to wrap up the stick and put a warning on the cloth than the relic put the symbols on the cloth. Then this give the stick another power.
If the cloth was always with the stick than someone else put the hidden symbols on the cloth at likely the same time.
So does this change anything? Like does the cloth cxl the power of stick in some way?
We have to say the sacred stick was 1st, then they found a clothe to wrap it in , then bury the stick for all time
RE: Witch came first the cloth or the stick - jsgrimm45 - 02-09-2017
(02-09-2017, 01:14 PM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote:So do you think the symbols are from the stick?(02-09-2017, 11:34 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: We don't know which came first the cloth or the stick, or did they both come at the same time? Why is this important we know unless the 7 knights had a hexenbiest along they never seen what was on the cloth, now they did likely put the warning on the cloth.
Now if the stick came first and the knights just used it to wrap up the stick and put a warning on the cloth than the relic put the symbols on the cloth. Then this give the stick another power.
If the cloth was always with the stick than someone else put the hidden symbols on the cloth at likely the same time.
So does this change anything? Like does the cloth cxl the power of stick in some way?
We have to say the sacred stick was 1st, then they found a clothe to wrap it in , then bury the stick for all time
RE: Witch came first the cloth or the stick - syscrash - 02-09-2017
There can also be the concept that the stick is just a stick. But like the hat a hexebiest cast a spell on the cloth which gave power to the stick.
For the stick to be first. Someone would have had to use the stick traveled to the underworld. The cloth is then documenting what they found.
After watching the hat work. It makes more sense that the cloth created the power in the stick. As opposed to the stick creating the cloth or the cloth being documentation of the stick.
RE: Witch came first the cloth or the stick - Adriano Neres Rodrigues - 02-09-2017
We don't know the origins of both items. I think the seven grimms found the relic and the cloth together. Maybe they found out about the relic in the cloth. Maybe they just saw what happened when they used the stick. Then they simply buried the stick, the cloth and the box together. I mean everything they found together the stick they buried.
But I think who created the stick created the stick. Then we have 3 possibilities:
1) the same person created the cloth with instructions about the stick.
2) Another person realized the danger of stick and created the cloth as somekind of warning about the stick.
3) The stick itself in contact with the cloth created the symbols on it.
RE: Witch came first the cloth or the stick - wfmyers1207 - 02-10-2017
Well, those are all pretty good ideas. But, I'm still inclined to the idea that the cloth was created by a hexenbiest working with the grimm knights. So that only a grimm AND a hexenbiest would know exactly how to use the relic and what the consequences were. Sort of a bobby trap to prevent one or the other from using it alone. Sooner or later it would bite them if they tried.
RE: Witch came first the cloth or the stick - jsgrimm45 - 02-10-2017
(02-10-2017, 10:30 AM)wfmyers1207 Wrote: Well, those are all pretty good ideas. But, I'm still inclined to the idea that the cloth was created by a hexenbiest working with the grimm knights. So that only a grimm AND a hexenbiest would know exactly how to use the relic and what the consequences were. Sort of a bobby trap to prevent one or the other from using it alone. Sooner or later it would bite them if they tried.We do debate the Grimm Hexenbiest connections this would add to that debate. The question than can only a Grimm use it but only a hexenbiest can add the context? This also would work to show where the falling out between the two started.
We know the Grimm's can't see the symbols we know hexenbiests can. So if the stick was found first then how to instructions were added by the hexenbiest. So even if the royals had gotten it they would possibly only half the need knowledge.
Good point.
RE: Witch came first the cloth or the stick - syscrash - 02-10-2017
I like the idea that it takes both a Grimm and Hexenbiest to control the use of the stick. So far Nick and Eve have been working independently. Eve drew the symbols on the wall. what happens if Nick uses the stick in conjunction with the wall. The problem is that would be to cliche for the show.
RE: Which came first the cloth or the stick - jsgrimm45 - 02-10-2017
(02-10-2017, 02:36 PM)syscrash Wrote: I like the idea that it takes both a Grimm and Hexenbiest to control the use of the stick. So far Nick and Eve have been working independently. Eve drew the symbols on the wall. what happens if Nick uses the stick in conjunction with the wall. The problem is that would be to cliche for the show.@Adriano Neres Rodrigues and @wfmyers1207 point out a interesting twist about Diana so is it Nick and Diana who are needed to complete prophecy.