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RE: Conrad Bonaparte read Adalind's future??? - Nicholas White - 02-03-2017
(02-03-2017, 04:36 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(02-03-2017, 04:13 PM)Nicholas White Wrote:(02-02-2017, 05:15 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(02-02-2017, 05:12 PM)Nicholas White Wrote:(02-02-2017, 09:57 AM)irukandji Wrote: Diana left Adalind when she was a newborn. She's estimated to be about three years old now. That means she was absent from both Diana and Renard for more than a year.
On the other side of the coin, Renard is older now than he was when Diana was taken from him and Adalind. It's obvious he's doing things differently now than he would have three years ago. He's making time to spend with his daughter and treating her like his daughter.
Adalind and Renard have a very special daughter, there's no question of that in my mind. Their daughter was taken from them for a period of years and I believe that did something to both of them. Renard is trying to make things better with her.
While Adalind has a relationship with Nick, I don't think her actions in acting so desperate to be with him were in Diana's best interests. Diana deserves better than that. It was to Adalind's credit that she took Diana back to Renard, but in my opinion, Adalind could have stayed a while longer to stabilize things with both Renard and with Diana. Once she had that accomplished, then by all means, go to Nick with open arms.
It has only been about a year and a half. let me put the timeline in perspective:
Diana gets taken from Adalind in episode 3x17 and then Adalind in 3x18/19 uses the hat to take away Nicks powers. This was about a week or 2 apart. 1 month Maximum. Season 4 picks up right where season 3 left off. No time difference. Nick only lost his powers for a max of 4 or 6 months. That is me being generous as Adalind in 4x12 didn't like 6 months pregnant more like 3/4 months. Juilette was dealing with being a hexenbiest for a max of 4 months before she was "killed" that was the end of season 4. Season 5 picks up where season 4 left off. Adalind and Nick stayed at the house for a max of 2 months before they sold it and move to the fome. Adalind stayed their for about 4 months before she moved in with Renard and Diana. Kelly isn't 1 years old yet. Kelly is only about 6-7 months old.
Adalind got pregnant with Kelly a month or three after losing Diana. That is when Adalind would have had sex with Nick.
Pregnancies take between 8-9 months. So far we are at a year now.
Babies begin to crawl around 7-10 months and sit up around 4-7 months. Babies begin to teeth around 4-7 months.
Kelly was teething while at the foam. We haven't seen him sit up by himself and he isn't crawling yet so that would put him around the 6 month range in age.
All together it was about 1 and a half years since she lost Diana. Diana has extreme growth rate but chronologically she would only be 1 and half years old.
Diana is 3 years old based on the timeline below.
http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
December 21-22, 2013 "Twelve Days of Krampus" takes place as Nick, Hank, Monroe, and Bud search for the missing teens before Krampus eats them and ends as Krampus' human form is taken to the precinct for interrogation.
January 15-17, 2014 In "The Good Soldier", the day after the first murder, Hank pulls up a police report from Phoenix on the death of Robert Hammond with a date of January 16th.
March 19, 2014 "The Show Must Go On" begins as the date was on the ticket stubs of the murdered women.
February 18, 2015 "Hibernaculum" ends as the date was on Wu's tablet at the scene of the Cabbie's body.
January 28-30, 2016 "A Reptile Dysfunction" takes place over these dates, as the security cameras in Hadrian's Wall's compound have time and date stamps.
(02-02-2017, 05:12 PM)Nicholas White Wrote: Babies begin to crawl around 7-10 months and sit up around 4-7 months. Babies begin to teeth around 4-7 months.
Kelly was teething while at the foam. We haven't seen him sit up by himself and he isn't crawling yet so that would put him around the 6 month range in age.
The twins who play Kelly were sitting up well while filming GRIMM 601. Claire Coffee has a instagram picture showing the Kelly baby sitting up and playing with the fox mobile in the crable at the mansion in the 601 baby outfit. The Kelly's babies were about 11 months about the time when GRIMM was filming 'The End' in a behind the scene picture and they were dressed and looked that age. Do you want me to post the pictures?
By your logic Adalind would have waited a whole 1 year 3 months before coming up with the plan to take Nick powers away and then Kelly would be 1 years old.
From the timeline given it isn't even 3 years yet. Even if we argue Diana was born May 2014 the current date in Grimm via your timeline is May 22 2016 which at best is 2 years and 2 days. Although she was born in the fall given the weather.
I can put it in even more logical sense:
Diana was born towards the end of 2014 during Fall given it was cold outside. Somewhere between October and December. The portland election for Mayor would have been around May 2016.
9 months pregnant with Kelly for sure.
2 months at the house before movingSpeculation)
3 months at the fome before going to Renards
All together 1 year and 2 months. Give and take a few months in the hotel Renard paid for.
January 15-17, 2014 In "The Good Soldier", the day after the first murder, Hank pulls up a police report from Phoenix on the death of Robert Hammond with a date of January 16th.
"Mommy Dearest" where Diana is born.
March 19, 2014 "The Show Must Go On" begins as the date was on the ticket stubs of the murdered women.
Diana was born between January 15-17, 2014 and March 19, 2014. Does this make sense to you?
Where did you get January from? We have no dates on her birth besides the year. The weather in portland(Shown on screen) wouldn't even support that. Not to mention alot of the events wouldn't work.
Things we do know:
Diana was around 2-3 weeks old when Adalind came back to Portland. Like someone Mentioned Adalind said 10 days old.
We know Adalind only remained in portland before going back to Europe for about a month.
Adalind got Pregnant with Kelly between Episode 3x21-3x22
Adalind went full term. No mention of Kelly being born premature or a spread up pregnancy. No reason to think the Pregnancy was any different from a regular one.
We know she was pregnant all of season 4 and Season 5 picks up right where season 4 left off.
Right now we are barely at a year. This are facts and things shown on screen.
We know Kelly hasn't had his first birthday as Adalind hasn't said anything and would without a doubt said something.
So right now we are barely at 2 years. Diana isn't 3 years old. When you put the events that happened after Diana was born into perspective it isn't hard to see she isn't 3 years old.
RE: Conrad Bonaparte read Adalind's future??? - syscrash - 02-03-2017
The problem is, measuring the length of events you come up with one time line. But using the dates on documents you come up with another. The problem with using the dates on documents. When the prop department is setting things up they do not take into consideration of where in the show they are. They just use the current date with the scene was set up. That is why the dates streach fro 2014 to 2016 but cause that is the span of the production dates. But logically there is no way from the time Adalind came to Portland to now is two years. In the first few season the show keep pace with actual time. The holidays on the show matched the actual holidays.
We know the time of the show is barely a year because of Kelly. Kelly was conceived because Diana as a baby was taken. The show said Diana was 10 days old when she came to Portland. The kidnapping had to happen with in days of Adalind coming to Portland. say it took a month for adalind to find her mothers storage and plan to take Nick powers. At the most that would make Diana 2 months old and that is stretching it.
That means Kelly was conceived while Diana was two months old. Lets add nine months for the pregnancy. Kelly was born when Diana was taken by the Royals. That mean Diana could have only been one year old when Nick mom died and Juliette went to HW. We now go into season 5. From the time Kelly was born to now where Kelly is shown to be no more then 6 months old. Combine that with the year from the previous season. The most Diana could be is a year and a half. Even if we stretch and say Kelly is nine month or even a year. The most that would make Diana is two years old. There is no way to account for Diana being three years old.
RE: Conrad Bonaparte read Adalind's future??? - FaceInTheCrowd - 02-03-2017
Grimm time is clearly not linear. Some episodes happen in a day, others take several, but none have ever appeared to occur over more than a week. There is also no correlation between the real time between episodes and the "story time." some episodes have no time between them because of cliffhangers, while others could be weeks apart. So we really have no choice but to accept the dates that appear on the screen and distort our own perceptions to fit.
RE: Conrad Bonaparte read Adalind's future??? - rpmaluki - 02-03-2017
I agree with Syscrash's deduction based on the story time line. Diana is technically a year and a half although her birth on screen happened years ago based on real time.
RE: Conrad Bonaparte read Adalind's future??? - izzy - 02-03-2017
(02-03-2017, 09:54 AM)New Guy Wrote: Hi Izzy,
Thanks for your comments.
Hypothetically, if Grimm was real Portland, you were an elected City Councilman and all of the activities of Renard's precinct were under investigation would you recommend Nick be fired? Would you have the DA present the evidence to a grand jury? What would you do about Renard?
Note that HW had installed surveillance in the precinct when they learned about Eric's death. Hank and Wu have been deposed and provided the DA formidable evidence. You have all the details.
The families that had loved ones die (Nick's neighbors, the three hookers, Northern Precinct, etc.) are calling for justice.
What do you tell the people who elected you?
NewGuy, since you asked me, given the change we have had in office and i now feel justice may prevail once again in this once great nation; as a member of City Council I would go to the United States Attorney for Northern Oregon and demand a special prosecutor from the DOJ.
I would do everything I could to see Renard, Nick, Wu, and Hank and most of that corrupt police department disbanded, prosecuted, imprisoned, their pension taken and time added to whatever sentence is handed out for hate crimes (which I still contend is asinine). Although I will say it is pretty clear all four should be eventually be executed for their crimes.
So my message to the people who elected me would be I am calling the United States Attorney for Northern Oregon and demand a special prosecutor from the DOJ.
Kindest regards...
RE: Conrad Bonaparte read Adalind's future??? - FaceInTheCrowd - 02-03-2017
Adalind goes into labor with Diana in episode 313. In that same episode, two stolen vehicles driven by the Wildesheer have licence plates that expire in March of 2014 and and June of 2014. The odds that two vehicles stolen from different states could both have expired plates is pretty slim, so Diana was definitely born sometime in the first half of 2014.
Episode 601 takes place in January, so unless we want to say it's still Jan 2016 on the show, it's been at least two and a half years since Diana was born.
The existence of HW as a government black op tells us that the US government is trying to keep the existence of wesen secret from the general population. There is probably data mining going on that flags any investigations that risk revealing the existence of wesen. Any investigators, prosecutors or politicians running these investigations would most likely be visited by federal agencies promising dire consequences if their investigations were not quashed, evidence would disappear from records and lockups and witnesses and suspects would vanish into WITSEC or be renditioned to Saudi Arabia or Lithuania.
RE: Conrad Bonaparte read Adalind's future??? - izzy - 02-03-2017
(02-03-2017, 04:16 PM)irukandji Wrote: I have been wondering why Eve was wandering through the tunnels by herself. I know part of it is so that she can investigate this stick
Let's see someone is wandering through a tunnel with their stick...sounds like the plot of a 1950s porno flick...just sayin'
LOL!
RE: Conrad Bonaparte read Adalind's future??? - MarylikesGrimm - 02-04-2017
(02-03-2017, 10:22 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: Adalind goes into labor with Diana in episode 313. In that same episode, two stolen vehicles driven by the Wildesheer have licence plates that expire in March of 2014 and and June of 2014. The odds that two vehicles stolen from different states could both have expired plates is pretty slim, so Diana was definitely born sometime in the first half of 2014.
Episode 601 takes place in January, so unless we want to say it's still Jan 2016 on the show, it's been at least two and a half years since Diana was born.
In the "The Show Must Go On" the date on the ticket stubs was March 19, 2014 for the murdered women. The "The Show Must Go On" (316) is after episode 314 when Diana was born therefore based on this information she was born before March 19, 2014.
Why do you know that 601 takes place in January?
RE: Conrad Bonaparte read Adalind's future??? - FaceInTheCrowd - 02-04-2017
Sean gets a call on his phone and it displays the date as Jan 6th.
RE: Conrad Bonaparte read Adalind's future??? - MarylikesGrimm - 02-04-2017
(02-04-2017, 01:11 AM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: Sean gets a call on his phone and it displays the date as Jan 6th.Based on that, isn't Diana about to 2 years old and 10 - 11 months?