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RE: one of those things that just frosts my flakes... - FaceInTheCrowd - 01-17-2017
Theoretically. But if you look back at television history, there are very few series that lived on after losing more than one or two of their regular cast, and virtually none that became more successful. Even losing a character or performer that a lot of viewers dislike can end up changing the onscreen chemistry that draws in the audience a series has and result in a decline in ratings.
RE: one of those things that just frosts my flakes... - syscrash - 01-17-2017
That was true and then the game of thrones aired. That show throws away the book of a safe character.
RE: one of those things that just frosts my flakes... - rpmaluki - 01-18-2017
(01-17-2017, 11:44 PM)syscrash Wrote: That was true and then the game of thrones aired. That show throws away the book of a safe character.Game of thrones is built around "safe" characters dying in every season because it's what drives the story. Most of television still focuses on the characters first and not the story, hence some shows struggling after their main characters leaving or dying because so much was centered around them.
RE: one of those things that just frosts my flakes... - Adriano Neres Rodrigues - 01-18-2017
(01-17-2017, 12:40 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: Neither Nick nor Juliette seemed to have much in the way of tech chops, but you would think that Nick's mom would have had enough experience from living underground all those years to tell them to not use their own home computer.
OTOH, her choice for an email name was "bheadr," so maybe not.
You don't need to be a tech specialist to know how things work.
I mean that Nick is a detective and he should have participate in investigations that the police tech team investigated computers for him. He should know at least what is possible and what isn't possible to do from that.
(01-17-2017, 05:54 PM)irukandji Wrote:(01-17-2017, 05:36 AM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote:(01-17-2017, 05:28 AM)irukandji Wrote:(01-16-2017, 01:17 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: "The Wild Hunt." Juliette asks Nick if maybe she should try sending Kelly email. Nick tells her to go ahead but not to be surprised if she doesn't reply. Kelly does reply, says she is heading north to find "L," which Nick presumes means the Lauffer, and tells Juliette that it will be safer for "N" to communicate through her.
It was Kelly's idea to funnel communications between her and Nick through Juliette. Not one of her best.
I was thinking about this last night. Kelly's instructions to have email communications go through Juliette instead of Nick make absolutely no sense. It's no safer for "N" to communicate through "J" than it is for "J" to communicate through "N" or "M" to start using the initial "K". It's just dumb, all the way around.
… and using Nick's computer in Nick’s house with Nick’s IP address and no apparently no other security measure to hide their identity.
Is that the writers idea of information security in the internet?
It couldn't be any more obvious than if they had Nick nail a great big lighted arrow pointing toward his house that says: "J's house."
But that aside, Kelly was technically putting Juliette's life on the line by saying communications should go through her.
Wasn't she the one who said something about protecting the ones you love? If so, she's rather callous and unfeeling by putting Juliette on the spot.
It doesn't make sense from any point of view you look at it.
If Kelly was protecting Nick as you said and putting Juliette in danger. Juliette and Nick were in the same house. Anyone that found Juliette would find Nick.
But I think Kelly was protecting herself and the fact no-one knows about her being alive. But this is also stupid. Nick was already a target. Juliette also since Adelaind had already put her to sleep. Anyone monitoring Nick, Juliette and their communication would find out about Kelly.
Actually that is exactly what happened. The royals recruited Juliette and through Juliette corrupted Nick's house communications to Kelly to bring her to Portland.
RE: one of those things that just frosts my flakes... - syscrash - 01-18-2017
Just out of curiosity how would anyone know M was kelly. Even with the email address of bheader why could it not be some other grimm.
also even Juliette could not figure out exactly where she was. she got close. but like Juliette said by the time she figured it out she was gone. As a lot of people know receiving and send email through proxy servers will keep anyone from actually finding out where you are. The other thing you can do is hack someone else machine and and use that to proxy. That would require someone looking for you to find that machine and trace back from their.
We only saw how Juliette was sending the email. We had no idea how Kelly was getting it. For all we know Kelly could have been logging into Nick account and reading it from the send file. That would make the email never have a received IP address plus the email would never be marked as read.
RE: one of those things that just frosts my flakes... - Hell Rell - 01-18-2017
(01-18-2017, 12:58 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:(01-17-2017, 11:44 PM)syscrash Wrote: That was true and then the game of thrones aired. That show throws away the book of a safe character.Game of thrones is built around "safe" characters dying in every season because it's what drives the story. Most of television still focuses on the characters first and not the story, hence some shows struggling after their main characters leaving or dying because so much was centered around them.
No one being safe on Game of Thrones was true at first but not many of the main cast have actually died over the seasons. There was an episode titled "Cripple, Bastards, and Broken Things" in season 1 and that is a huge hint to who will survive until the final arc. Pretty much every character who fits this description has survived. Every character who was crippled, raped, or maimed has survived except for one but that character died in season 1. There were two characters in particular that I knew wouldn't die once they survived season 3.
Not to mention, any character post season 1 that either started in Essos or went there was safe from death because their deaths would have no impact on the story. The one whose story started there was never in danger of dying and the two characters who went there at the end of season 4 were guaranteed a free pass until they got back to Westeros and they most likely won't die any time soon once they return.
RE: one of those things that just frosts my flakes... - Adriano Neres Rodrigues - 01-18-2017
(01-18-2017, 05:41 AM)syscrash Wrote: Just out of curiosity how would anyone know M was kelly. Even with the email address of bheader why could it not be some other grimm.
also even Juliette could not figure out exactly where she was. she got close. but like Juliette said by the time she figured it out she was gone. As a lot of people know receiving and send email through proxy servers will keep anyone from actually finding out where you are. The other thing you can do is hack someone else machine and and use that to proxy. That would require someone looking for you to find that machine and trace back from their.
We only saw how Juliette was sending the email. We had no idea how Kelly was getting it. For all we know Kelly could have been logging into Nick account and reading it from the send file. That would make the email never have a received IP address plus the email would never be marked as read.
You are right about some points. But I have some comments...
Juliette was able to track Kelly's ip address once from a country in the middle of Europe. So I think Kelly used her own email address and no Nick's.
It is not easy for anyone to connect M to Kelly but it was not necessary. If the royals, for example, hacked Nick's computer and found the emails they would see a lot of emails with normal names and only one with the name M. They would know Nick was trying to hide something behind this letter.
For sure Kelly never used the same computer in the same place to answer her emails. But once having her email address who knows what a Russian hacker payed by the royals would be able to do?
I would the writers would never put this kind of complexity in a show like grimm because internet security is not important in the story. But in real like situation I am pretty sure the royals would use all tools available to find out everything about Nick, including hacking his computer.
Actually, as I said, they did. They used what is called social engineering. The royals hacked Nick's computer not using technical methods, but using social methods: They convinced Juliette to send the email. But they could have hacked Juliette's email address and send the email themselves as if it was sent by Juliette.
RE: one of those things that just frosts my flakes... - FaceInTheCrowd - 01-18-2017
Sometimes showrunners plan character deaths in advance and then fool you into thinking characters are "safe." Remember Torchwood? They set viewers up to believe one of the team members was a regular by putting her in the opening credits, then killed her off in the first episode.
OTOH, what are the chances that any show has ever decided that because they goofed and created a plot hole in one episode they had no choice except to kill off a series regular?
RE: one of those things that just frosts my flakes... - syscrash - 01-18-2017
Prue in charms
RE: one of those things that just frosts my flakes... - rpmaluki - 01-18-2017
(01-18-2017, 09:01 AM)syscrash Wrote: Prue in charmsWasn't she fired several seasons later over bts issues?