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RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - irukandji - 04-11-2017
(04-11-2017, 07:37 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(04-11-2017, 07:35 AM)irukandji Wrote: Adalind was the one who gave them Kelly's name. By doing so, she's involved.
Sean would have done so. In fact he gave them all sorts of detailed information about Kelly for months and never warmed Nick at all. Adalind make no difference.
Maybe so, but the fact is he did not. Adalind did.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - Hell Rell - 04-11-2017
(04-11-2017, 07:13 AM)irukandji Wrote:(04-11-2017, 07:03 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: [Adalind started the ball rolling and pointed toward Kelly. She's involved.Sean got the ball rolling.
No she did. By going over there.
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I think they mean the reason she went over there was because Renard told her the royals had Diana. Adalind didn't initially go to them to seek their help in getting Diana back. She went because she thought Diana was already with them.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - MarylikesGrimm - 04-11-2017
(04-11-2017, 07:38 AM)irukandji Wrote:(04-11-2017, 07:37 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(04-11-2017, 07:35 AM)irukandji Wrote: Adalind was the one who gave them Kelly's name. By doing so, she's involved.
Sean would have done so. In fact he gave them all sorts of detailed information about Kelly for months and never warmed Nick at all. Adalind make no difference.
Maybe so, but the fact is he did not. Adalind did.
The fact was it was useless information without Sean's help. Viktor guessed who had Kelly. All he learned from Adalind was that Nick's mom was alive and about Portland at that time. He guessed based on a lot of information that Adalind did not have. Why should have Adalind died then over such minor information? Nick was not mad at Adalind later for giving away his address when her life was at risk.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - Circe27 - 04-11-2017
Adalind didn't get the ball rolling, all of it was started by Sean, Nick, Kelly and the rest.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - Mrtrick - 04-11-2017
(04-10-2017, 03:07 PM)irukandji Wrote: As for the mother of my children effect, there have been studies where marriages end up in trouble at the arrival of a child. You wouldn't think it would happen but guess who gets ignored when the baby comes into play? The man of the house. A baby creates untold stress on a marriage/relationship, especially if the woman vows to be the best mother possible.
Nick is a complete doofus who values being a grimm above everything else, so it probably didn't affect him in the least. I never saw Adalind dote on him, but then the doofus in him probably didn't miss that either.
All of that stress, from within and without, was dropped on Nick and Adalind when little Kelly showed up in their lives. Unexperienced parents. Moving into an unfamiliar place. Reconciling their past feelings with who they had to be now. An undercurrent of fear over how the outside world might threaten them. Lingering concerns about the eternal Grimm, Hexenbeist conflict. And yet, the fact that they handled it with grace, speaks volumes about Nick and Adalind as a couple. Certainly they made mistakes, but they are only people, after all. In the end, the very pressures you spoke of, are what ultimately proved their mettle. Every bit of turmoil they had endured in their lives, up to this point, prepared them for this test. And more than anything, it afforded them the opportunity to really understand the individuals who lay behind the archetypes they had superficially dealt with before. Nick wasn't the cold hearted, judgemental killing machine she understood a Grimm to be. He was good and protective and willing to forgive. And Adalind was more than the things she had done. More than the iconically manipulative, self-centered, and cruel Hexenbeist vision he had in his mind. She was warm, supportive and patient. A calm center in a world of chaos, taking in the slings and arrows with a wry humor. If they fell in love with each other in the midst of such strain, it's because of the people they showed themselves to be when the chips were down. Not in spite of it.
And Nick doesn't value being a Grimm over all else. He values his family first. That's the point of where we leave him at the end of the series. He made the hard choice. The one he didn't want to make, in never handing over that stick, because that's the burden of being a Grimm. And his reward was being given back the thing that means the most to him. It was a long journey to that point in his life. The moment of clarity, where he could fully understand the importance of that family bond. That he wasn't meant to do it alone. The mandate of Grimms past had been to lead solitary lives. This task came first and all other considerations were moot. When Nick learned of his heritage and the mantle he was taking on, this is how it was laid out to him. Had the work of being a Grimm been all consuming, he would have left Juliette on the spot. He would have cut all emotional ties and taken up the job with a harsher abandon, coolly detached from his cop identity. Instead, he struggled to find a way to hold on to the things he wanted, like love and friendship, while honoring this history he had been saddled with. It was messy. At every turn was a new mistake to be made. By the time Juliette was dying in his arms, the warnings Marie had given him, had all come true. Perhaps he should just drift away from the things that held him to the world. But fate had other plans. Had Kelly not existed, I have no doubt that this would have been his path. Another in an endless parade of Grimms, doing things just as everyone who had ever born that cross before him had done. Kelly and Adalind saved Nick's life. Maybe not physically, but instead, in the most important sense. His soul. They bound him to the world at a time when he could have floated away. He was left with no time to dwell on what had happened. No time to fall into a morass of doubt and self-recrimination. An instant family was dropped into his lap. A charge to protect, not as a Grimm, but as a father. He couldn't leave his little slice of the universe, because this new duty was greater than whatever ancient lineage he was tied to. Over the next two seasons, it remained his driving force. He still had guilt. There were still questions that dogged him. But in the end, he proved that his Grimm legacy and the bonds of family that bind him here and now, could be one and the same. Being a Grimm is important to him. It's part of who he his. But he no longer keeps it apart from the heart of his life. It's part of his day to day family existence. It's part of his relationship with the friends who make up his extended family. And it belongs to them to. It's there struggle as much as his. Which makes it a family affair, and not the lone struggle of the past. By changing the way the Grimm exists in the world, Nick has made it impossible for it to be just about himself. It's all intertwined. Perhaps you could say he values being a Grimm above all else. But it's because he values the Family Grimm.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - Tara - 04-11-2017
Sure, of course Adalind is the innocence lamb and the others have all the fault....just not Adalind....
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - MarylikesGrimm - 04-11-2017
(04-11-2017, 07:53 AM)Circe27 Wrote: Adalind didn't get the ball rolling though, all of it was started by Sean, Nick, Kelly and the rest.
Sean and his mom hide from the Royals his whole childhood and it appears without outside help. Once the royals thought the resistance had Diana the scooby gang should have told Adalind the resistance had her. After waiting months and Sean advice like that special spell to hide children, Adalind maybe with Sean's mom too could have gotten Diana from Kelly and would have lived on the run taking care of Diana.
(04-11-2017, 08:01 AM)Tara Wrote: Sure, of course Adalind is the innocence lamb and the others have all the fault....just not Adalind....
Adalind did lot of bad stuff but she is not at fault for everything that happen in the show.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - Circe27 - 04-11-2017
(04-11-2017, 08:04 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(04-11-2017, 07:53 AM)Circe27 Wrote: Adalind didn't get the ball rolling though, all of it was started by Sean, Nick, Kelly and the rest.
Sean and his mom hide from the Royals his whole childhood and it appears without outside help. Once the royals thought the resistance had Diana the scooby gang should have told Adalind the resistance had her. After waiting months and Sean advice like that special spell to hide children, Adalind maybe with Sean's mom too could have gotten Diana from Kelly and would have lived on the run taking care of Diana.
(04-11-2017, 08:01 AM)Tara Wrote: Sure, of course Adalind is the innocence lamb and the others have all the fault....just not Adalind....
Adalind did lot of bad stuff but she is at fault for everything that happen in the show.
Off topic but how come Renard never thought about using that super special spell to hide Diana when she was a baby?? Adalind would have totally lived on the run to protect Diana.
And I agree, Mary. No one here is saying Adalind is completely innocent or blameless, far from it. But all of her actions after Diana's kidnapping are understandable and she can't be blamed for everything.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - irukandji - 04-11-2017
(04-11-2017, 08:01 AM)Tara Wrote: Sure, of course Adalind is the innocence lamb and the others have all the fault....just not Adalind....
She was the one who gave the royals Kelly's name. There's no one to blame for that but her.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - Hell Rell - 04-11-2017
(04-11-2017, 08:24 AM)irukandji Wrote:(04-11-2017, 08:01 AM)Tara Wrote: Sure, of course Adalind is the innocence lamb and the others have all the fault....just not Adalind....
She was the one who gave the royals Kelly's name. There's no one to blame for that but her.
Adalind can be blamed but so are the people who told her Viktor had Diana. They played their part as well. Adalind wouldn't have gone there if it weren't for them. Remember she gave them the name after being tortured while thinking Viktor had her child which added to the torture.