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RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - irukandji - 03-16-2017
(03-16-2017, 05:07 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(03-16-2017, 04:57 AM)irukandji Wrote: You're missing the whole point. She got pregnant with a completely different body. Once she morphed back into Adalind, that body no longer existed. That includes the unfertilized egg and sperm you're talking about. The baby cannot be Nick's.
Adalind body is the one with unfertilized egg later. Sperm can live up to 7 days. Their clothes did not disappear so why would the sperm?
Where exactly do the sperm and unfertilized egg go when Adalind morphs out of Juliette's form? She became pregnant as Juliette, using Juliette's body parts. When those body parts dissolve so does the floating egg and sperm. The baby can't possibly be Nick's, in more ways than one. The timeline is also way off.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - MarylikesGrimm - 03-16-2017
(03-16-2017, 05:17 AM)syscrash Wrote:Quote:Nick's sperm did not dissolve and conception took place long after the spell was over so the baby is Nick's. The clothes did not change.You are missing the point. If the transformation changes everything in the body. even to the point where a bruise is none existent. Why would it not also make the sperm none existent.
Do you believe that Adalind got pregnant without a man?
Adalind, Ken, Sean and the king thought the baby was not Sean's.
This is why I theorized some form of magic could have been involved. You have to consider Eve gets hurt Adalind feels it. That sets prescience for Juliette sleep with Nick as Adalind and Adalind gets pregnant. Juliette even ask could she have gotten pregnant while she was Adalind. Rosale said she was not Adalind so no. But that does not mean Adalind could not have gotten pregnant. Like is said before that would make the time line fit better for why Adalind did not know she was pregnant till henretta told her. If Adalind conceived when she sleep with Nick as Juliette. wouldn't her missing her period have caused her concern.
You believe if you are pregnant then the baby dies when you take this potion and the food in your stomach disappears too.
Liz did not ask if Juliette was already pregnant.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - irukandji - 03-16-2017
(03-16-2017, 05:30 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(03-16-2017, 05:17 AM)syscrash Wrote:Quote:Nick's sperm did not dissolve and conception took place long after the spell was over so the baby is Nick's. The clothes did not change.You are missing the point. If the transformation changes everything in the body. even to the point where a bruise is none existent. Why would it not also make the sperm none existent.
Do you believe that Adalind got pregnant without a man?
Adalind, Ken, Sean and the king thought the baby was not Sean's.
This is why I theorized some form of magic could have been involved. You have to consider Eve gets hurt Adalind feels it. That sets prescience for Juliette sleep with Nick as Adalind and Adalind gets pregnant. Juliette even ask could she have gotten pregnant while she was Adalind. Rosale said she was not Adalind so no. But that does not mean Adalind could not have gotten pregnant. Like is said before that would make the time line fit better for why Adalind did not know she was pregnant till henretta told her. If Adalind conceived when she sleep with Nick as Juliette. wouldn't her missing her period have caused her concern.
You believe if you are pregnant then the baby dies when you take this potion and the food in your stomach disappears too.
Liz did not ask if Juliette was already pregnant.
Juliette wasn't already pregnant. Adalind was, just not with Nick's baby.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - MarylikesGrimm - 03-16-2017
(03-16-2017, 05:28 AM)irukandji Wrote:(03-16-2017, 05:07 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(03-16-2017, 04:57 AM)irukandji Wrote: You're missing the whole point. She got pregnant with a completely different body. Once she morphed back into Adalind, that body no longer existed. That includes the unfertilized egg and sperm you're talking about. The baby cannot be Nick's.
Adalind body is the one with unfertilized egg later. Sperm can live up to 7 days. Their clothes did not disappear so why would the sperm?
Where exactly do the sperm and unfertilized egg go when Adalind morphs out of Juliette's form? She became pregnant as Juliette, using Juliette's body parts. When those body parts dissolve so does the floating egg and sperm. The baby can't possibly be Nick's, in more ways than one. The timeline is also way off.
No one can become pregnant in an hour and Adalind has her own unfertilized eggs.
Timeline is perfect Claire's baby conception was 2014 July to August and she gave birth in May 2015.
(03-16-2017, 05:33 AM)irukandji Wrote:(03-16-2017, 05:30 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(03-16-2017, 05:17 AM)syscrash Wrote:Quote:Nick's sperm did not dissolve and conception took place long after the spell was over so the baby is Nick's. The clothes did not change.You are missing the point. If the transformation changes everything in the body. even to the point where a bruise is none existent. Why would it not also make the sperm none existent.
Do you believe that Adalind got pregnant without a man?
Adalind, Ken, Sean and the king thought the baby was not Sean's.
This is why I theorized some form of magic could have been involved. You have to consider Eve gets hurt Adalind feels it. That sets prescience for Juliette sleep with Nick as Adalind and Adalind gets pregnant. Juliette even ask could she have gotten pregnant while she was Adalind. Rosale said she was not Adalind so no. But that does not mean Adalind could not have gotten pregnant. Like is said before that would make the time line fit better for why Adalind did not know she was pregnant till henretta told her. If Adalind conceived when she sleep with Nick as Juliette. wouldn't her missing her period have caused her concern.
You believe if you are pregnant then the baby dies when you take this potion and the food in your stomach disappears too.
Liz did not ask if Juliette was already pregnant.
Juliette wasn't already pregnant. Adalind was, just not with Nick's baby.
Based on your view, Adalind's baby would have dissolved and died when she drank the potion just like the sperm.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - irukandji - 03-16-2017
(03-16-2017, 05:38 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: No one can become pregnant in an hour and Adalind has her own unfertilized eggs.
Timeline is perfect Claire's baby conception was 2014 July to August and she gave birth in May 2015.
Try calculating the timeline again, only this time don't use Claire's pregnancy as a guide. Adalind's pregnancy wasn't announced until well into season 4. She gave birth immediately in season 5. That's not a 9 month gestation period, especially since Grimm is going according to real time and not fantasy television time.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - MarylikesGrimm - 03-16-2017
(03-16-2017, 05:44 AM)irukandji Wrote:(03-16-2017, 05:38 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: No one can become pregnant in an hour and Adalind has her own unfertilized eggs.
Timeline is perfect Claire's baby conception was 2014 July to August and she gave birth in May 2015.
Try calculating the timeline again, only this time don't use Claire's pregnancy as a guide. Adalind's pregnancy wasn't announced until well into season 4. She gave birth immediately in season 5. That's not a 9 month gestation period, especially since Grimm is going according to real time and not fantasy television time.
Grimm is not using real time some seasons are closer to 6 months.
Adalind showed as 6 months pregnant when she realizes she is pregnant in the show.
There are women who go to the hospital with a stomach ache and have a baby in an hour and never knew they were pregnant even if they had a baby before.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - syscrash - 03-16-2017
Quote:You believe if you are pregnant then the baby dies when you take this potion and the food in your stomach disappears too.According to what is shown what ever state the body is in before the potion it would return to that position after it wore off. Anything that happens to the body while transformed goes away when the body transforms back.
Liz did not ask if Juliette was already pregnant.
We saw this at work with the damage caused by the fight. But could it extend to, a broken bone would no longer be broken. If shot you would not longer be shot. Taken a step further if you die while transformed are you still dead if you where able to transform back. Would death cause an immediate transform back. Lets say you are blind when you transform could you see. Theoretically it should work that way. But the show would never take it to that extent. That they took it to the point that Nick was able to woge while Sean. That means while Juliette was Adalind she could have also woged and had her magical abilities.
Not lets consider Adalind did become pregnant. This could mean she retain a residual aspect of being Juliette. Basically she retained Nicks sperm. The same could have happened to Juliette when she became Adalind. She retained Adalind hexenbiest ability.
The problem with these notions is they are speculations without foundation. But more important Adalind pregnancy and juliette hexenbiest. are two things the writers never had any intention off providing a plausible exploitation. That is why there are so many holes in any speculation. You can not prove either way something that was not designed to have an answer.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - rpmaluki - 03-16-2017
If Adalind's body was truly Juliette's (@Irukandji said she used Juliette's body parts) when she had sex with Nick, doesn't that mean when she turned back into herself that Nick's sperm couldn't then exist inside Adalind's own physical body since by that logic, it wasn't truly Adalind sleeping with Nick? Nick's sperm couldn't even jump into Juliette's real body since Juliette was also using her own body parts elsewhere at the same time as when Nick had sex with "Juliette". But Adalind did fall pregnant AFTER she turned back to looking like herself not Juliette. No amount of twisting the show could ever make Juliette the one who fell pregnant. Because even if the spell lasted hours, we saw Adalind change back just minutes after sleeping with Nick, his sperm didn't evaporate because Kelly does exist.
And say Adalind was already pregnant and Kelly isn't Nick's son, I'm sure he would have done a DNA test to determine the truth because he sure as hell didn't trust Adalind when she told him he was the father. Adalind herself knew who the father was because she's only slept with three men on the show, Erik's dead and the last time she slept with Sean was before Diana's birth so that left Nick as the lucky dad. Nick may not believe her but she had no reason to doubt the paternity.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - MarylikesGrimm - 03-16-2017
(03-16-2017, 05:56 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: If Adalind's body was truly Juliette's (@Irukanji said she used Juliette's body parts) when she had sex with Nick, doesn't that mean when she turned back into herself that Nick's sperm couldn't then exist inside Adalind's own physical body since by that logic, it wasn't truly Adalind sleeping with Nick? Nick's sperm couldn't even jump into Juliette's real body since Juliette was also using her own body parts elsewhere at the same time as when Nick had sex with "Juliette". But Adalind did fall pregnant AFTER she turned back to looking like herself not Juliette. No amount of twisting the show could ever make Juliette the one who fell pregnant. Because even if the spell lasted hours, we saw Adalind change back just minutes after sleeping with Nick, his sperm didn't evaporate because Kelly does exist.
And say Adalind was already pregnant and Kelly isn't Nick's son, I'm sure he would have done a DNA test to determine the truth because he sure as hell didn't trust Adalind when she told him he was the father. Adalind herself knew who the father was because she's only slept with three men on the show, Erik's dead and the last time she slept with Sean was before Diana's birth so that left Nick as the lucky dad. Nick may not believe her but she had no reason to doubt the paternity.
She had sex with Hank years ago.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - irukandji - 03-16-2017
(03-16-2017, 05:49 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: Adalind showed as 6 months pregnant when she realizes she is pregnant in the show.
Henrietta was the one who told her she was pregnant.