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RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - syscrash - 03-14-2017

Quote:Current laws definitely cover acts of prestidigitation or other trickery and fraud, and the criminal consequences for drugging someone far outweigh the legal ethics issues. But the first time someone comes along who can provably read someone's mind or do anything else that doesn't involve physicality, there's going to be a mad scramble in legislatures around the country to outlaw it, and the first person who does it is likely to get away with it.
That is like saying when someone creates a time machine. There will be laws to prevent going into the future to pick wining stocks or horses. The problem is building a time machine to see the future is about as likely as reading minds. It is one thing to being able to detect brain activity. It is another to be able to detect thought. That would be like knowing what a computer is doing by monitoring the cpu. Without context if mends nothing


RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - MarylikesGrimm - 03-14-2017

(03-14-2017, 12:49 PM)syscrash Wrote: A wesen preferring a wesen lawyer makes sense. But the boss said specifically that they needed a hexenbiest. What is it a wesen that is a hexenbiest can do that some other wesen can not do. The only thing is their ability to do magic. It would be different if the boss said they needed a wesen or if he said they needed someone that understands us.

Adalind had her job back before he checked to see if she was a hexenbiest still and the suppressant had wore off.

http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/Inugami

Adalind meets with Harrison Berman, who expresses his happiness that Adalind is returning to the firm. Berman says they can talk about when she can start, and Adalind tells him she can start whenever they're ready for her. Berman says they're ready and woges into a Lausenschlange. He tells Adalind, "It'll be nice to have a Hexenbiest back in the firm. Assuming you are still available in that capacity." Adalind looks at him before she woges, telling Berman, "Same as ever."

(03-14-2017, 01:54 PM)syscrash Wrote:
Quote:Current laws definitely cover acts of prestidigitation or other trickery and fraud, and the criminal consequences for drugging someone far outweigh the legal ethics issues. But the first time someone comes along who can provably read someone's mind or do anything else that doesn't involve physicality, there's going to be a mad scramble in legislatures around the country to outlaw it, and the first person who does it is likely to get away with it.
That is like saying when someone creates a time machine. There will be laws to prevent going into the future to pick wining stocks or horses. The problem is building a time machine to see the future is about as likely as reading minds. It is one thing to being able to detect brain activity. It is another to be able to detect thought. That would be like knowing what a computer is doing by monitoring the cpu. Without context if mends nothing

Currently computer & technology can read your mind in a simple way like you are thinking of a bike and they use it on people in comas and such. Modern physics says time machines can only go forward in time from when the machine is built and uses a huge amount of energy.


RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - FaceInTheCrowd - 03-14-2017

It'll never happen onscreen because there's no time left, but I can imagine Adalind having a conversation with Berman in which she attempts to ascertain whether Berman knew who Conrad Bonaparte really was the day he brought him into her office and introduced him to her as "a very important client who had a private matter to discuss with her." And at some point in the conversation she opens a door and says, "You remember my son's father, Nick Burkhardt? Detective. Grimm. He also has a private matter to discuss with you." She leaves Berman's office, closing the door behind her, takes a seat in the outer office and starts leafing through a magazine. She smiles as some loud noises filter through the door. A few moments later, Nick comes out and says, "I think Mister Berman would like to negotiate a new employment contract with you."


RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - Robyn - 03-14-2017

(03-14-2017, 11:08 AM)syscrash Wrote: She helped setup Sean, causing him to lose being mayor. She was willing to perjure herself to help Nick. True she has not made any potions but then she has not had the need. The difference between then and now. Then she was helping Sean against Nick. Now she is helping Nick against Sean. It is the same mind set.
That could refer to every character on the show. Monroe and Rosalee deceived the Wesen doctor in last week’s episode to help Nick. You’re singling out Adalind as though she’s the only one.

Quote:There are laws against using magic. If you use slight of hand to switch a contact your client is signing that is illegal. I you make someone think you are selling them something you are not, that is illegal. If you where to drug someone so they did not know what they where doing that is illegal. The difference between these examples and what the firm is doing. These leave evidence that can be used to prove it was done. What the firm is doing does not leave explainable evidence.

With the firm the client my realize they where not in their right mind. But without anything in their system no one would believe them. Just because you can't prove something does not make it any less illegal.
It’s illegal to kidnap a person’s child. It’s illegal to falsify police reports. It’s illegal to plant evidence. It’s illegal to murder and conspire to commit murder. What’s your point in singling out Adalind, other than you only have a problem if it's Adalind?


RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - FaceInTheCrowd - 03-14-2017

(03-14-2017, 01:54 PM)syscrash Wrote: That is like saying when someone creates a time machine. There will be laws to prevent going into the future to pick wining stocks or horses. The problem is building a time machine to see the future is about as likely as reading minds. It is one thing to being able to detect brain activity. It is another to be able to detect thought. That would be like knowing what a computer is doing by monitoring the cpu. Without context if mends nothing

Except that mind reading and other psychic/magic phenomenon are entirely feasible in the Grimm universe. It's just that the people who are passing the laws don't know it.


RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - brandon - 03-14-2017

In Argentina always the lawyers find a place to escape-in the laws- , they leave if for such a day because It's a holiday or for such day as it is another judge who releases the accused.


RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - Kwu9888 - 03-14-2017

(03-14-2017, 02:54 PM)Robyn Wrote:
(03-14-2017, 11:08 AM)syscrash Wrote: She helped setup Sean, causing him to lose being mayor. She was willing to perjure herself to help Nick. True she has not made any potions but then she has not had the need. The difference between then and now. Then she was helping Sean against Nick. Now she is helping Nick against Sean. It is the same mind set.
That could refer to every character on the show. Monroe and Rosalee deceived the Wesen doctor in last week’s episode to help Nick. You’re singling out Adalind as though she’s the only one.

Quote:There are laws against using magic. If you use slight of hand to switch a contact your client is signing that is illegal. I you make someone think you are selling them something you are not, that is illegal. If you where to drug someone so they did not know what they where doing that is illegal. The difference between these examples and what the firm is doing. These leave evidence that can be used to prove it was done. What the firm is doing does not leave explainable evidence.

With the firm the client my realize they where not in their right mind. But without anything in their system no one would believe them. Just because you can't prove something does not make it any less illegal.
It’s illegal to kidnap a person’s child. It’s illegal to falsify police reports. It’s illegal to plant evidence. It’s illegal to murder and conspire to commit murder. What’s your point in singling out Adalind, other than you only have a problem if it's Adalind?

Well in reality Diana was not kidnapped her father took her from the mother and gave her to Viktor which was all a plan for Diana to be given to Kelly to raise all with permission of her legal father according to Adalind anyway. So who really kidnapped her everything was done with permission and knowledge of at least one of her parents


RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - syscrash - 03-14-2017

Quote:That could refer to every character on the show. Monroe and Rosalee deceived the Wesen doctor in last week’s episode to help Nick. You’re singling out Adalind as though she’s the only one.

It’s illegal to kidnap a person’s child. It’s illegal to falsify police reports. It’s illegal to plant evidence. It’s illegal to murder and conspire to commit murder. What’s your point in singling out Adalind, other than you only have a problem if it's Adalind?
The section is Adalind vs Juliette. the conversation was Adalind then and now. The point I was making her way of thinking that let her deceive in the past is the same mindset she use to deceive now. The only thing that has changed is who the target it.

I will agree the show is built on all the characters seeking self help solutions. They all have performed some form of deception. Compare Adalind and the other wesen on the show to Juliette. Juliette had a problem deceiving that is why she could not help but tell her friend Alicia about Nick. She just did not feel right keeping secrets from her friend. Once she became a wesen. that was no longer the case. Lying and deceiving became easy. But remember wesen lives are built on keeping a secret.


RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - brandon - 03-14-2017

Juliette became like those people who have so much money and power to do what you want. That others do not matter


RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - syscrash - 03-14-2017

Quote:Currently computer & technology can read your mind in a simple way like you are thinking of a bike and they use it on people in comas and such.
That is not mind reading. Different forms of stimulation to the brain cause a different set of wave patterns. You may be able to detect someone is concentrating on the word bike. You can't detect they are thinking about a bike used in some movie. Just like you can tell a cpu is processing a hard drive read. You can not tell what it is reading. The same with animals you can teach them to recognize objects you can not teach abstract concepts.