(12-30-2015, 08:42 PM)syscrash Wrote: In all of the promotional info where do you get that Juliette becoming Eve was anything other then a continued progression of her transformation. In the way you describe Juliette is a prisoner. The writers gave use many clues and reasons why Juliette would emotionally leave the group. They started with showing a shift in her loyalties by having her side with Kenneth.

(12-31-2015, 11:21 AM)Robyn Wrote: Your portrayal of a dark and cruel Nick went too far for my taste. I don’t mean that as a negative reflection on your exploration of this different characterization. In fact, I applaud your commitment to exploring just how dark and cruel Nick might become given the right circumstances.

It was Adalind’s reaction to Nick that I couldn’t quite wrap my head around. While her body might respond to his machinations, the heart and mind not so much. Nick established his mindset with “You're here and I... I need someone right now” and “Besides you owe me”. Regardless of how Adalind’s feelings might be changing/growing toward Nick, his assertions and behavior don’t welcome new possibilities, at least not any that Adalind has a say about.

Again, I want to say that my comments & opinion aren’t meant as a negative reflection on your story’s direction, and again, I applaud your commitment to exploring just how dark and cruel Nick might become given the right circumstances.

(12-31-2015, 11:29 AM)Karai9 Wrote: Thank you for your comments and observations. I can understand what your saying about Adalind's reaction and respond with my take on this was that Adalind didn't realize the extent of Nick instability at the time or how far he actually would go until matters weren't under her control anymore.

Of course I accept your disagreement though, it presents an interesting counter argument that mediates what's going on in my head. Basically constructive criticism which is much appreciated.

Thanks

(12-31-2015, 02:27 PM)syscrash Wrote: To understand Nick and Adalind now, think back to when he took her powers. Before that night, Nick and Adalind where antagonistic but never really hated each other. The fight ended with Nick pinning her to the ground, where he kisses her, and she bites his lip. Their relationship hasn't been the same since. From then on they avoid each other. Even when Kelly brought her to the house they would not look at each other. That was not anger keeping them away. It was that kiss. How about when Adalind was in Seans apartment with Diana. That did not look like a look of anger on Nick's face. It looked more like jealousy.

I see the writers from the beginning intending for it to be Nick and Adalind. But they had to get there. They have to transform Nick the cop and family man. To a full on Grimm. Nick still sees himself as a cop with Grimm abilities. He does not consider himself part of the wesen world. For Nick to accept being a Grimm he has to admit he is not human. This was his problem with Juliette. To accept her change would mean accepting his, and he is not ready to accept being other then human.

Where Eve has accepted her transformation and sees herself 100% wesen. Nick will want to hold on to his human connection. It will be Nicks and Adalind fight to stay human leaving the wesen world that will pull them together. It will be Nicks need to be a Grimm, and Adalind reemergence that will pull them apart.

(12-31-2015, 11:16 AM)Karai9 Wrote:

(12-30-2015, 08:42 PM)syscrash Wrote: In all of the promotional info where do you get that Juliette becoming Eve was anything other then a continued progression of her transformation. In the way you describe Juliette is a prisoner. The writers gave use many clues and reasons why Juliette would emotionally leave the group. They started with showing a shift in her loyalties by having her side with Kenneth.

The EPs and Bitsie say she's been training with Meisner. That means the person in the room that Meisner was beating up periodically was Juliet. Additionally, when Chavez opened the peephole into her cell in the first episode, she ran at it screaming. obviously wanting out. Meisner commented that they were playing with fire. Also they did not approach her as they did trubel to recruit her although she wasn't beyond reason. Obviously, Kenneth could appeal to her with the right incentive, so could they. But they sent Trubel to capture her by force.

She may have warmed to the idea eventually to reach this level of detachment, but I believe that the beginning of her training was very much without her consent.