(04-19-2018, 07:40 PM)syscrash Wrote:

Quote:The only "BIG THING" I am missed "what could have happened, what should have happened, if this had happened or the possibility of other happenings.

We saw Nick and the group try an intervene at the spice shop. There was not much they could do. Why would the police station be any different.
You state as a fact Nick stepping in the way stopped something. WE saw actual proof if Juliette did not want to stop. None of them could stop her.
Nick stepping in the way she could have thrown him like she did Monroe., or Rosealee. So exactly what and how did she stop anything.

You keep saying she would have been arrested. If she is on the other side of the room. And all anyone sees is her wave her hand. exactly what would they arrest her on. Remember there was only a couple of people that even know or believe that magic even exist. Plus wesen law would prevent them from telling anybody.

You keep wanting to use the bar as some kind of example. In that type of situation they take all involved, and let the DA sort it out. It is not about who is at fault.

The problem with your argument is it only applies if Juliette was going to use physical force. But each time we have seen her react to a physical threat she uses magic not physical force. So why would you think she would physically do anything to Adalind.

Even with the statue, she was across the street. There could have been a dozen cameras filming from every angle possible. Exactly what would you see that you could have arrested her on.

(04-19-2018, 07:40 PM)syscrash Wrote: Below is your post from 4/15/2018: Look at your last TWO sentences. Read it to yourself. Focus, then read it again.
"So using a lose definition of the subject. Nick was the first to cheat."
Even leaving it with its context, you just contradicted yourself. Now we can put an end "THIS" discussion too.

Quote:You have never participated in a debate have you. One person take the pro the other take the con. I was making point that could be used to support the cheating argument. I prefaced my statement showing it would be a stretch to make the argument stand. That is not being contradictory. It is putting forth a theory and finding things to support the theory. No where did I say anything about writers intent.

Quote:Another scenario could take place when Rosalee makes a phone call to the Wesen Council or any other Wesen that heard of what Juliette did in public, and exposed the Wesen community to many Kehrseite. At this point, BC hasn't destroyed the Council yet. The Council, in turn, dispatch out assassins to take her out. BUT WAIT, This is the "all powerful Hex". "YOU CLAIM".

Quote:Well, your "all powerful Hex" was able to easily defeat Adalind because she took her by surprise.

Quote:She was able to defeat the bounty hunter because he thought he was holding hostage just a Grimm's girlfriend, and was taken off guard by a Hexenbiest.

Quote:She was able to move the gargoyle because she was cowering in the shadows and surprised Adalind as she was shopping.

Quote:She was able to get away with what she did in the spice shop, because she caught the gang off guard.

Quote:One possible scenario is HW can go after her and put her in a cage just like they did after Trubel shot her. Well she is the all powerful Juliette. How can they grab her? YOU CLAIM. You seem to forget, she isn't EVE yet, she hasn't been trained by Meisner and Company, to focus her powers and became 'the all powerful Eve". She could either be retrained, like Meisner did or prosecuted in incognito and kept in that cage in perpetuity. Similar to Guantanamo Bay.

(04-22-2018, 01:56 PM)syscrash Wrote:

Quote:Another scenario could take place when Rosalee makes a phone call to the Wesen Council or any other Wesen that heard of what Juliette did in public, and exposed the Wesen community to many Kehrseite. At this point, BC hasn't destroyed the Council yet. The Council, in turn, dispatch out assassins to take her out. BUT WAIT, This is the "all powerful Hex". "YOU CLAIM".

Juliette is a hexenbiest. Adalind is a hexenbiest. That means a wesen on wesen killing. perfectly within wesen laws. wesen live by the laws of nature. Survival of the fittest. The rule of predator or pray. Killing others is perfectly ok within the wesen community. Their has not been one case where the council has had a problem with wesen on wesen killing. As long as Juliette did not woge in the station where other could see it, The council would have nothing to say. Without wogeing there would be no exposure. Sure the ones there that are wesen know what is going on. But the council rules would prevent them from saying anything. AS for HW, they would be on Juliettes side since Adalind is an enemy that was out to get the key and out to hurt a Grimm.
You claim that my scenario is of what could happen but yours isn't. The point is, Juliette did not attack so there was nothing for Nick to stop. Nick between Adalind and Juliette did nothing to stop what could have happened because he could not have stopped what could have happened. Your idea that he made a difference is also speculation. The difference. We saw a scene where Juliette attacked and Nick and the group could not stop her. You have nothing to show that in the station it would have been any different and his being between them would have been able to stop her.

Quote:Well, your "all powerful Hex" was able to easily defeat Adalind because she took her by surprise.

When Juliette stopped the vase and then woged that ended the surprise. Surprise would only be applicable if is was a sneak attack.

Quote:She was able to defeat the bounty hunter because he thought he was holding hostage just a Grimm's girlfriend, and was taken off guard by a Hexenbiest.

Knowing Julette was a hexenbiest might have prevented the bounty hunter from attacking Juliette. But it would have done nothing to stop her from killing him. Remember her first ability was to blow some guys brains out. Exactly how would the bounty hunter have stopped that.

Quote:She was able to move the gargoyle because she was cowering in the shadows and surprised Adalind as she was shopping.

How was she cowering. She was standing on the other side of the street out of sight.

Quote:She was able to get away with what she did in the spice shop, because she caught the gang off guard.

How where they off guard. They knew she was a hexenbiest, that is why they thought she was there so they could suppress her powers.

Quote:One possible scenario is HW can go after her and put her in a cage just like they did after Trubel shot her. Well she is the all powerful Juliette. How can they grab her? YOU CLAIM. You seem to forget, she isn't EVE yet, she hasn't been trained by Meisner and Company, to focus her powers and became 'the all powerful Eve". She could either be retrained, like Meisner did or prosecuted in incognito and kept in that cage in perpetuity. Similar to Guantanamo Bay.

I see the entire HW story line went over your head. Yes they made us think she was in a cell. They then showed that those are the rooms they stay in not the cells we thought they where. The only thing they trained Eve to do was to stay in control. Meisner even said they would teach her to control her anger. but you like many have this impression of some abusive process slash brainwashing that went on. Yet all the dialog and scenes, plus the final result. Show special forces training. Eve entire affect is that of a member of special forces. The only thing that matters is the mission.

Quote:Infact there is plenty of examples to the contrary on the show for example, Nick threating to report the wesen couple in 4x14 for using the murdered rabbit wesens foot as a fertility good luck charm.

Quote:There was never a case of wesen getting in trouble for using their powers in public or private. In the bank robbery it was because they woged. As for the bar, even adalind admitted she had done what Juliette did in the bar.

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Also aren’t you the person always claiming that we need to stick to the script when Juliette says I didn’t know Kelly would be killed, yet your also claiming we should throw the script out the window when Juliette repeatedly claims she is going to murder Adalind. Juliette says I will rip her throat out, actually after her nearly succeeding in killing Adalind in two episodes previous only for the quick reactions of a verat guard pushing Adalind out of the way. How convenient you only want to follow the script that suits your own narrative.

(04-22-2018, 03:29 PM)Henry of green Wrote:

(04-22-2018, 01:56 PM)syscrash Wrote:

Quote:Another scenario could take place when Rosalee makes a phone call to the Wesen Council or any other Wesen that heard of what Juliette did in public, and exposed the Wesen community to many Kehrseite. At this point, BC hasn't destroyed the Council yet. The Council, in turn, dispatch out assassins to take her out. BUT WAIT, This is the "all powerful Hex". "YOU CLAIM".

Juliette is a hexenbiest. Adalind is a hexenbiest. That means a wesen on wesen killing. perfectly within wesen laws. wesen live by the laws of nature. Survival of the fittest. The rule of predator or pray. Killing others is perfectly ok within the wesen community. Their has not been one case where the council has had a problem with wesen on wesen killing. As long as Juliette did not woge in the station where other could see it, The council would have nothing to say. Without wogeing there would be no exposure. Sure the ones there that are wesen know what is going on. But the council rules would prevent them from saying anything. AS for HW, they would be on Juliettes side since Adalind is an enemy that was out to get the key and out to hurt a Grimm.
You claim that my scenario is of what could happen but yours isn't. The point is, Juliette did not attack so there was nothing for Nick to stop. Nick between Adalind and Juliette did nothing to stop what could have happened because he could not have stopped what could have happened. Your idea that he made a difference is also speculation. The difference. We saw a scene where Juliette attacked and Nick and the group could not stop her. You have nothing to show that in the station it would have been any different and his being between them would have been able to stop her.

Quote:Well, your "all powerful Hex" was able to easily defeat Adalind because she took her by surprise.

When Juliette stopped the vase and then woged that ended the surprise. Surprise would only be applicable if is was a sneak attack.

Quote:She was able to defeat the bounty hunter because he thought he was holding hostage just a Grimm's girlfriend, and was taken off guard by a Hexenbiest.

Knowing Julette was a hexenbiest might have prevented the bounty hunter from attacking Juliette. But it would have done nothing to stop her from killing him. Remember her first ability was to blow some guys brains out. Exactly how would the bounty hunter have stopped that.

Quote:She was able to move the gargoyle because she was cowering in the shadows and surprised Adalind as she was shopping.

How was she cowering. She was standing on the other side of the street out of sight.

Quote:She was able to get away with what she did in the spice shop, because she caught the gang off guard.

How where they off guard. They knew she was a hexenbiest, that is why they thought she was there so they could suppress her powers.

Quote:One possible scenario is HW can go after her and put her in a cage just like they did after Trubel shot her. Well she is the all powerful Juliette. How can they grab her? YOU CLAIM. You seem to forget, she isn't EVE yet, she hasn't been trained by Meisner and Company, to focus her powers and became 'the all powerful Eve". She could either be retrained, like Meisner did or prosecuted in incognito and kept in that cage in perpetuity. Similar to Guantanamo Bay.

I see the entire HW story line went over your head. Yes they made us think she was in a cell. They then showed that those are the rooms they stay in not the cells we thought they where. The only thing they trained Eve to do was to stay in control. Meisner even said they would teach her to control her anger. but you like many have this impression of some abusive process slash brainwashing that went on. Yet all the dialog and scenes, plus the final result. Show special forces training. Eve entire affect is that of a member of special forces. The only thing that matters is the mission.

Where exactly on the show was it ever explicitly stated that every wesen on wesen killing was by the law of nature and the council wouldn't do anything about it. Infact there is plenty of examples to the contrary on the show for example, Nick threating to report the wesen coupke in 4x14 for using the murdered rabbit wesens foot as a fertility good luck charm. Rosalee explicitly stated during that episode it was agianst wesen law and if fertility if wesen fertility clinics were using them it was agianst the law. Nicks exact words to the couple involved were, I can’t arrest you for this but I will be reporting you to the wesen council for this, that hardly goes along with your logic about the council just allowing Wesen to prey on each other without consequences.

Also Juliette used her powers in public in a bar to attack innocent civilians a few day previously, which is cleary agianst wesen law so her using her powers in the middle of the Portland police station to kill a pregnant woman would have clearly drawn the attention of the council, heck Renard probably would have reported her himself just to get rid of her after all he’d already used Juliette and had zero use for her anymore himself, which is why he kicked her out of his apartment.

Quote: I said it would have been reported as exposing the Wesen World to the public, if she did what he predicted what she "could have done".

Quote:The Wesen Council dispatched bounty hunters and assassins in more that one episode in response to Wesen exposing their abilities to the public

Quote:After Adalind is pushed away by the Verat body guard, Adalind looks around and Juliette turns around and scurries away looking scared.

Quote:Then you have the scene, S5, E7. Nick meets Eve in the restaurant and asked her "what did they do to you, she replies, "they did what they had to do". She visualizes Meisner telling her she is dead, you better learn to focus that rage and slap her hard across her face. I guess for "Mr. Writers Intent", she was at a spa getting a face lift with HW picking up the tab.

Quote:I didn't get the exact quotes from the scrips pages but the remarks are close enough. Man, where were these debating armatures when I had to debate fellow students way back when I went to school

(04-22-2018, 07:14 PM)syscrash Wrote:

Quote: I said it would have been reported as exposing the Wesen World to the public, if she did what he predicted what she "could have done".

You are speculating that is what would happen. I pointed out several cases where wesen used their powers in public with no council intervention. Like I said she would have had to expose that she is wesen. Using magic is not exposing. For one no one knows that magic exist. Sol how and why would they think what they saw was juliette doing. The ones that do know can tell.

Quote:The Wesen Council dispatched bounty hunters and assassins in more that one episode in response to Wesen exposing their abilities to the public

Get it right. The bounty hunters where sent because the wesen woged in public. Not because they used their abilities. And as I said as long as Juliette did not woge no exposure.

Quote:After Adalind is pushed away by the Verat body guard, Adalind looks around and Juliette turns around and scurries away looking scared.

You do remember what followed. that was right before she went to the spice shop and said she was losing herself. That is not cowering that is fear of the change she was going through.

Quote:Then you have the scene, S5, E7. Nick meets Eve in the restaurant and asked her "what did they do to you, she replies, "they did what they had to do". She visualizes Meisner telling her she is dead, you better learn to focus that rage and slap her hard across her face. I guess for "Mr. Writers Intent", she was at a spa getting a face lift with HW picking up the tab.

That is the scene that explains he was going to teach her to focus her rage. that way she would not go into revenge mode. The thing that Adalind did a number of times. that he slapped her you do remember she was reaching to chock him. That scene is a long way from abuse. Going through special training is much tougher then that. None of them would say they where abused.

Quote:I didn't get the exact quotes from the scrips pages but the remarks are close enough. Man, where were these debating armatures when I had to debate fellow students way back when I went to school

If you debated the way you comment, you would have lost every match. You fail to support your argument. Your theories lack cohesive reasoning. In fact they lack any kind of reasoning. Your whole argument is a series of talking points. example "I said it would have been reported as exposing the Wesen World to the public" with nothing to show why. You try an make a connection that using magic is exposing , but not once have you said why it would be. I have several times given you reasons why it would not. I have given you several examples of powers being used without being accused of exposure. As in debate class support your arguments.
Here is the other thing you reply with condescending remarks instead of insightful reasoning. If you ever did take debate they would have told you. That kind of response, trying to be little your opponent lessens the validity of your arguments.

Quote:The Wesen Council dispatched bounty hunters and assassins in more that one episode in response to Wesen exposing their abilities to the public

Quote:Get it right. The bounty hunters where sent because the wesen woged in public. Not because they used their abilities. And as I said as long as Juliette did not woge no exposure.

(04-22-2018, 04:36 PM)syscrash Wrote:

Quote:Infact there is plenty of examples to the contrary on the show for example, Nick threating to report the wesen couple in 4x14 for using the murdered rabbit wesens foot as a fertility good luck charm.

It was not the murder. It was the practice that was being outlawed because it did not work. But as for murder, Take Monroe and his family. They used to hunt and had complete support of the council. How about in star crossed. Did the council have a problem with crucifying people to bring on the rain.

Quote:There was never a case of wesen getting in trouble for using their powers in public or private. In the bank robbery it was because they woged. As for the bar, even adalind admitted she had done what Juliette did in the bar.

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Also aren’t you the person always claiming that we need to stick to the script when Juliette says I didn’t know Kelly would be killed, yet your also claiming we should throw the script out the window when Juliette repeatedly claims she is going to murder Adalind. Juliette says I will rip her throat out, actually after her nearly succeeding in killing Adalind in two episodes previous only for the quick reactions of a verat guard pushing Adalind out of the way. How convenient you only want to follow the script that suits your own narrative.

I never said through the script out. I never even said she did not want or plan to kill adalind. What I said was Nick between Juliette and Adalind would not have stopped anything we know this because of the spice shop. I also said Juliette did not have to use physical force. For her to be arrested in the police station she would have to physically do something. Just because Adalind starts rolling on the floor with her throat ripped out, would not be a reason to arrest Juliette. In your wildest conspiracy theory how you would explain it in court. AS for the bar. when ever you are involved in a disturbance a lot of time they arrest both parties till they figure out what was going on. Especially if they can't get a straight answer. Because you could never provide a credible explanation on how Juliette could have done any of the tings, the DA would never press charges against her. People keeping thinking Juliette using her powers in public is against council law. Catherine stopped time yet I have heard no on accusing her of exposure. You had the accountant that worked for BC. He was never accused of exposure. The frog girl was not a council problem. She was not accused of exposure. Even Rosalee said maybe you should let this one go.Her grandmothers issue was not a council issue. The wesen that hunted skins. That was not a council issue.

(04-22-2018, 09:36 PM)Henry of green Wrote:

(04-22-2018, 04:36 PM)syscrash Wrote:

Quote:Infact there is plenty of examples to the contrary on the show for example, Nick threating to report the wesen couple in 4x14 for using the murdered rabbit wesens foot as a fertility good luck charm.

It was not the murder. It was the practice that was being outlawed because it did not work. But as for murder, Take Monroe and his family. They used to hunt and had complete support of the council. How about in star crossed. Did the council have a problem with crucifying people to bring on the rain.

Quote:There was never a case of wesen getting in trouble for using their powers in public or private. In the bank robbery it was because they woged. As for the bar, even adalind admitted she had done what Juliette did in the bar.


Also aren’t you the person always claiming that we need to stick to the script when Juliette says I didn’t know Kelly would be killed, yet your also claiming we should throw the script out the window when Juliette repeatedly claims she is going to murder Adalind. Juliette says I will rip her throat out, actually after her nearly succeeding in killing Adalind in two episodes previous only for the quick reactions of a verat guard pushing Adalind out of the way. How convenient you only want to follow the script that suits your own narrative.

I never said through the script out. I never even said she did not want or plan to kill adalind. What I said was Nick between Juliette and Adalind would not have stopped anything we know this because of the spice shop. I also said Juliette did not have to use physical force. For her to be arrested in the police station she would have to physically do something. Just because Adalind starts rolling on the floor with her throat ripped out, would not be a reason to arrest Juliette. In your wildest conspiracy theory how you would explain it in court. AS for the bar. when ever you are involved in a disturbance a lot of time they arrest both parties till they figure out what was going on. Especially if they can't get a straight answer. Because you could never provide a credible explanation on how Juliette could have done any of the tings, the DA would never press charges against her. People keeping thinking Juliette using her powers in public is against council law. Catherine stopped time yet I have heard no on accusing her of exposure. You had the accountant that worked for BC. He was never accused of exposure. The frog girl was not a council problem. She was not accused of exposure. Even Rosalee said maybe you should let this one go.Her grandmothers issue was not a council issue. The wesen that hunted skins. That was not a council issue.

Stscrash,what on earth are you talking about it was never directly stated on the show the council allowed wesen to hunt each other in the modern age, thats just your theroy. How on earth could the wesen coucil do anything about the star cross killings when they were wiped out completley in Eve of destruction, except for alexander. Your also pulled further information from your ass, claiming Monroes familes hunting praticies were allowed by the coucil, that was never even hinted at on the show and it was Rosalees family close to the council not Monroes.

(04-19-2018, 10:53 AM)syscrash Wrote: You are missing one big thing. Juliette did not need to be anywhere near Adalind to do something to her. AS we saw at the spice shop. Juliette could have had Nick pull his gun and shot Adalind. Since she did not touch anybody and it was Nick who pulled the trigger. Exactly what would they charge her with. Nick would be the one in jail for murder. So your logic makes no since. Like Juliette said at the time she only wanted to see what Nick would do. She wanted to see who's side he was on.