(12-13-2015, 07:59 PM)Hexenadler Wrote:

(12-13-2015, 07:50 PM)New Guy Wrote: The writers seem to also be assuring us that Eve has no regrets and will never repent or seek forgiveness. She wants to be hated and her wish has been granted.
New Guy

I haven't been happy with a LOT of creative choices the writers have made on this show, but you're making an awfully big assumption about a character's arc for an entire season based on a single scene where she doesn't even speak.

(12-13-2015, 08:24 PM)grimmfan14 Wrote:

(12-13-2015, 07:59 PM)Hexenadler Wrote:

(12-13-2015, 07:50 PM)New Guy Wrote: The writers seem to also be assuring us that Eve has no regrets and will never repent or seek forgiveness. She wants to be hated and her wish has been granted.
New Guy

I haven't been happy with a LOT of creative choices the writers have made on this show, but you're making an awfully big assumption about a character's arc for an entire season based on a single scene where she doesn't even speak.

Agreed. I don't buy that for a hot second. "Eve" is what they're saying now, but at the end of the day she's Juliette - with the emotion trained out of her, but it's not some irreversible thing. The whole fact that the mentioned she has Juliette's memories, COME ON that is such a dead giveaway that eventually the "Eve" persona will be cracked. She became that way through HW training and brainwashing. Obviously something will happen to get over that.

she's not going to be some emotionless super soldier forever. That wouldn't WORK. Bitsie is a series regular (being David's gf has it perks because I can't imagine another reason why they think people like her/her arcs enough). That means she'll have an arc, and I'll bet my entire bank account that arc will include Nick getting through to her, and most obviously and likely them falling back in love.

And he'll give her that ring he still has and I'll vomit

(12-13-2015, 08:41 PM)irukandji Wrote:

(12-13-2015, 08:24 PM)grimmfan14 Wrote:

(12-13-2015, 07:59 PM)Hexenadler Wrote:

(12-13-2015, 07:50 PM)New Guy Wrote: The writers seem to also be assuring us that Eve has no regrets and will never repent or seek forgiveness. She wants to be hated and her wish has been granted.
New Guy

I haven't been happy with a LOT of creative choices the writers have made on this show, but you're making an awfully big assumption about a character's arc for an entire season based on a single scene where she doesn't even speak.

Agreed. I don't buy that for a hot second. "Eve" is what they're saying now, but at the end of the day she's Juliette - with the emotion trained out of her, but it's not some irreversible thing. The whole fact that the mentioned she has Juliette's memories, COME ON that is such a dead giveaway that eventually the "Eve" persona will be cracked. She became that way through HW training and brainwashing. Obviously something will happen to get over that.

she's not going to be some emotionless super soldier forever. That wouldn't WORK. Bitsie is a series regular (being David's gf has it perks because I can't imagine another reason why they think people like her/her arcs enough). That means she'll have an arc, and I'll bet my entire bank account that arc will include Nick getting through to her, and most obviously and likely them falling back in love.

And he'll give her that ring he still has and I'll vomit

I don't think it's even going to get to that. Nick has already said they're going to the Black Forest. It's certain they won't be dragging Juliette/Eve along with them because she's not part of that scene anymore. Then there's Adalind, the baby, Meisner, Monroe and Rosalee. There's supposed to be some new love interest for Hank, Renard's got this political thing going. And there's the uprising. Grimm is already 1/4 of the way through this season. Trying to bring in yet another sidestory where Nick corners Juliette/Eve and grills her into some kind of emotional submission doesn't make a lot of sense in the scheme of things. He said he was done with her. If this is the last season for Grimm, I think they're going to pack as much story as they can about the unanswered issues while dealing with this uprising.

(12-13-2015, 07:59 PM)Hexenadler Wrote:

(12-13-2015, 07:50 PM)New Guy Wrote: The writers seem to also be assuring us that Eve has no regrets and will never repent or seek forgiveness. She wants to be hated and her wish has been granted.
New Guy

I haven't been happy with a LOT of creative choices the writers have made on this show, but you're making an awfully big assumption about a character's arc for an entire season based on a single scene where she doesn't even speak.

(12-22-2015, 12:19 PM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: I have some problems with the character Eve.

First: The writers want us to simply accept Eve is a new character totally different from Juliette, but only with her memories. It doesn’t make sense. And think about it: Will they do this with Nick and the others? I mean… Will Nick (and the others) learn from the HW that “we transformed dead Juliette in a military weapon called Eve” and Nick (and the others) will answer only: Ok?

Second: Apparently Eve is a super powerful character. How will the writers create tension and interest if Eve can’t be killed, defeated or threatened (since she has no emotion)?

Third: If Eve has emotions, she is Juliette. If Eve has no emotion, she is simply a toy in HW hands. I think it doesn’t satisfy Juliette lovers and neither Juliette haters. I mean: Is Eve a person? If this is case, she must have emotions. If this is not the case, them she is a machine. (I remember Robocop with this plot... and he had emotions).

Fourth: Considering the statements above, my impression is something like the writers lying to us (Juliette is dead, now you have Eve) and expecting us to believe, even we knowing it is a lie.

I would be less critical if the writers bring her back as Juliette twin sister. It would be easier to accept.

Just to let it clear: My criticism is not about Juliette or the actress. It is about the plot line the writers created to bring them back. My opinion (I maybe be wrong) is that It is unbelievable.

(12-22-2015, 03:14 PM)syscrash Wrote: You can not find anywhere that an interview say Eve doesn't have emotions. The interview says she doesn't have the emotional attachment any more. That is a very big difference.
The interviews did not say she was brainwashed. The interviews say she was trained by Meisner a member of the HW.

The symbolic death only purpose is they want to transition Juliette from being Nick girlfriend.
Without the emotional attachments to Nick and the Group she no longer cares if they forgive her or not.
As Eve she is able to dump the baggage of the past few seasons.

(12-22-2015, 02:21 PM)CoffeeGirl Wrote:

(12-22-2015, 12:19 PM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: I have some problems with the character Eve.

First: The writers want us to simply accept Eve is a new character totally different from Juliette, but only with her memories. It doesn’t make sense. And think about it: Will they do this with Nick and the others? I mean… Will Nick (and the others) learn from the HW that “we transformed dead Juliette in a military weapon called Eve” and Nick (and the others) will answer only: Ok?

Second: Apparently Eve is a super powerful character. How will the writers create tension and interest if Eve can’t be killed, defeated or threatened (since she has no emotion)?

Third: If Eve has emotions, she is Juliette. If Eve has no emotion, she is simply a toy in HW hands. I think it doesn’t satisfy Juliette lovers and neither Juliette haters. I mean: Is Eve a person? If this is case, she must have emotions. If this is not the case, them she is a machine. (I remember Robocop with this plot... and he had emotions).

Fourth: Considering the statements above, my impression is something like the writers lying to us (Juliette is dead, now you have Eve) and expecting us to believe, even we knowing it is a lie.

I would be less critical if the writers bring her back as Juliette twin sister. It would be easier to accept.

Just to let it clear: My criticism is not about Juliette or the actress. It is about the plot line the writers created to bring them back. My opinion (I maybe be wrong) is that It is unbelievable.

I agree 100% on this not just that I wonder what impact this will have on Nick & Adalind they have become noticeably closer quite curious to see how all of this plays out in the upcoming episodes. personally I think they'd of just been better bringing Juliette back as she was & carrying on from there can't see the whole Eve idea working some how, but that's just me.

(12-22-2015, 03:14 PM)syscrash Wrote: You can not find anywhere that an interview say Eve doesn't have emotions. The interview says she doesn't have the emotional attachment any more. That is a very big difference.
The interviews did not say she was brainwashed. The interviews say she was trained by Meisner a member of the HW.

The symbolic death only purpose is they want to transition Juliette from being Nick girlfriend.
Without the emotional attachments to Nick and the Group she no longer cares if they forgive her or not.
As Eve she is able to dump the baggage of the past few seasons.