(03-23-2016, 08:26 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: I find that we can accept a lot of strange things in our fantasy shows but can't look past things that would take a little common sense to fix. Juliette is the main perpetrator in this show. I can accept her being brought back from the brink of death but the attention-grabbing wigs she wears in public is too hard to look past. That combined with the hood and sunglasses and she's just begging people to notice her. Nick and Monroe can solve an 800 year old mystery in a matter of days but Eve can't up with a better way to remain inconspicuous? I won't talk about her scowling because I don't know how to explain that.

Please post more of these if you have any. It was the most entertaining read I've had all week.

(03-23-2016, 10:51 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: I enjoy Nick/Monroe scenes as as much as anyone but them finding the treasure as easily as they did was farfetched. I couldn't even get past the part where they fell into the ancient church. I would think some random tourist would have fallen in there long before Nick and Monroe. Archaeologists would have been all over that site. Were they really the first two people to disturb that land?

(03-23-2016, 10:51 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: I also felt it should have been much more dangerous for a Grimm and a Blutbad to be travelling around the Black Forest. I got the impression that they aren't used to seeing Grimms out there so wouldn't they wonder why one suddenly showed up. The myth of the keys leading to a priceless treasure is probably known to some of them due to being passed down through generations. I would think they would get suspicious after seeing Nick even if they thought it was just a myth. I was getting nervous thinking Nick would lead them right to it. This plot needed more room to breathe.

(03-23-2016, 11:15 AM)irukandji Wrote:

(03-23-2016, 10:51 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: I enjoy Nick/Monroe scenes as as much as anyone but them finding the treasure as easily as they did was farfetched. I couldn't even get past the part where they fell into the ancient church. I would think some random tourist would have fallen in there long before Nick and Monroe. Archaeologists would have been all over that site. Were they really the first two people to disturb that land?

Good points. Here's something else. I assumed that these Grimm knights intended that this artifact be discovered at some later date. They made keys and prepared this hidden map. Also, presumably the intent was that a Grimm find the artifact. So why then, do you suppose they would choose such a dangerous route to the artifact? Someone has to fall into this hole to find it? It was actually very amazing to me that Nick and Monroe didn't sustain some terrible injuries falling into the hole. Oh, but then they manage to find another convenient way out.

Was it ever actually revealed that this was a church? I know Monroe said it was, but I kept looking for identifiable things that would make it a church, like a cross and an altar. I didn't see anything like that. To me, it appeared to be some catacombs. And this also doesn't make a lot of sense. How did these people bury their dead if the only way down there was this big deep hole? Such dumbness. I originally thought the episode a fun one and it was, but seeing it a second time, just tells me the creative team thought they could just slop anything up on the screen and the audience would buy it.

Wouldn't it have been interesting for Monroe and Nick to have found a tourist in that tomb?

(03-23-2016, 10:51 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: I also felt it should have been much more dangerous for a Grimm and a Blutbad to be travelling around the Black Forest. I got the impression that they aren't used to seeing Grimms out there so wouldn't they wonder why one suddenly showed up. The myth of the keys leading to a priceless treasure is probably known to some of them due to being passed down through generations. I would think they would get suspicious after seeing Nick even if they thought it was just a myth. I was getting nervous thinking Nick would lead them right to it. This plot needed more room to breathe.

When Nick and Monroe came upon this church and thought it was *the* church, I wondered just how they were going to go about obtaining this artifact. If the artifact were actually in that church, did they really believe the people there were just going to hand it over to them? I was thinking how cool it would have been for the priest and company to be modern day Grimms and wesen who protected the artifact from anyone nosing around, like the crusading Americans.

(03-23-2016, 11:25 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: The knight use this because the church was long gone and the catacombs were not being used maybe even the main entrance was buried or hidden. I say that because of the royal bodies.

(03-23-2016, 12:00 PM)irukandji Wrote:

(03-23-2016, 11:25 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: The knight use this because the church was long gone and the catacombs were not being used maybe even the main entrance was buried or hidden. I say that because of the royal bodies.

Which goes back to my question. Was this even a church or just some old foundation these knights decided to use?

(04-05-2016, 06:07 AM)brandon Wrote: as they done to break Juliette?

(04-05-2016, 08:51 AM)irukandji Wrote:

(04-05-2016, 06:07 AM)brandon Wrote: as they done to break Juliette?

Considering Juliette never had a hexenbiest spirit, I would say the torture she endured to become Eve was substantial. It continues to surprise me that Nick just simply shrugs it off.

(04-05-2016, 10:40 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: I don't think he shrug it off he did ask if after what she had done how could she just (paraphrasing) just let it go so easy she said it wasn't easy the night she tested him.