(07-03-2017, 06:53 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: It is gross. I don't believe this is what in fact happened. It's a twisted way of looking at how Nick lost his Grimm (through sex) and Juliette became a hexenbiest (through sex). It would have been better if they stuck to the Contaminatio Ritualis way of becoming a hexenbiest but then they couldn't have Juliette going mental on Nick and burning her bridges.

(07-03-2017, 07:01 AM)dicappatore Wrote: Robyn, after reading your post, it gave me more of an insight how flocked up the script on this plot was <<No Pun Intended>> so screwed up!
In conclusion, the short answer to this thread, “What changed Juliette into a Hexenbiest”?

Answer: SEX.

(07-03-2017, 07:14 AM)dicappatore Wrote:

(07-03-2017, 07:04 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(07-03-2017, 03:43 AM)Nicholas White Wrote:

(07-02-2017, 11:53 AM)dicappatore Wrote: This whole concept of stealing his Grimm was really never fully explained. If Nick took away Adalind’s Hexenbiest by the intake of a few drops of his blood? That’s called a fluid transfer. A bit more involved that just swapping spit as in French kissing.

How does Adalind Switch to Juliette take away his Grimm? Can’t be just by sex? Fluid transfer beyond a wet kiss had to take place? If he had used a condom. He would have kept his Grimm?

That's a question, not a conclusion.

Nick didn't use a Condom as that is how Baby Kelly was born. Also it was sexually transmitted just as a lot of diseases like aids, crabs, etc are sexually transmitted. I assume this spell would be no different.

Also his Grimm powers were just blocked not completely gone. There was a doctor scene in which case she says something is blocking something in his mind.

If memory is still working and that is an if. The Doctor said Nick eyes were affected something about him having more rods and cones. Something like these had swelling around them. So something Elizabeth did in hsr potion reduced this swelling. Now as to why Adalind changed to Juliette was NIck sure wasn't going to drink anything she offered, but sleep with Juliette he would do. To heal his eyes need to do the reverse of Adalind.

Adalind only just Juliette as a way to get the potion into Nick, so fluid transfer was the only way think of this as drinking the potion. IMO

So, js, you agree? No sex, No Hex?

(07-03-2017, 07:45 AM)Robyn Wrote:

(07-03-2017, 06:53 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: It is gross. I don't believe this is what in fact happened. It's a twisted way of looking at how Nick lost his Grimm (through sex) and Juliette became a hexenbiest (through sex). It would have been better if they stuck to the Contaminatio Ritualis way of becoming a hexenbiest but then they couldn't have Juliette going mental on Nick and burning her bridges.

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(07-03-2017, 07:01 AM)dicappatore Wrote: Robyn, after reading your post, it gave me more of an insight how flocked up the script on this plot was <<No Pun Intended>> so screwed up!
In conclusion, the short answer to this thread, “What changed Juliette into a Hexenbiest”?

Answer: SEX.

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Okay, so Nick wouldn’t drink anything Adalind offered. If the spell only required the fluid/potion to be inside Nick, Adalind could have turned into Juliette and offered Nick a drink. It really seems to come down to G & K wanting to incorporate sex scenes, specifically involving Adalind and Juliette, and they used sex-requiring spells as rationale.

The love sick spell required Adalind to have sex with Hank. The de-Grimming spell required Adalind to have sex with Nick while looking like Juliette. The re-Grimming spell required Juliette to have sex with Nick while looking like Adalind. Nick and Monroe even shared a little locker-room talk about Nick having sex with both women as each other. Eve becoming Renard didn’t require sex but led to sex with Rachael. Eve’s inability to complete the translation doesn’t negate that sex occurred.

So, does anyone believe G & K were implying that sex had a deeper meaning, perhaps mystical, in the Grimm/Wesen mythology? Or were they simply creating their male fantasies?

The only out I can give G & K is that because Claire Coffee was pregnant they needed the spell to result in Adalind’s pregnancy. But for me, the reversal spell doesn’t establish the how & why Juliette became a Hexenbiest.

(07-03-2017, 07:49 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(07-03-2017, 07:14 AM)dicappatore Wrote:

(07-03-2017, 07:04 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(07-03-2017, 03:43 AM)Nicholas White Wrote:

(07-02-2017, 11:53 AM)dicappatore Wrote: This whole concept of stealing his Grimm was really never fully explained. If Nick took away Adalind’s Hexenbiest by the intake of a few drops of his blood? That’s called a fluid transfer. A bit more involved that just swapping spit as in French kissing.

How does Adalind Switch to Juliette take away his Grimm? Can’t be just by sex? Fluid transfer beyond a wet kiss had to take place? If he had used a condom. He would have kept his Grimm?

That's a question, not a conclusion.

Nick didn't use a Condom as that is how Baby Kelly was born. Also it was sexually transmitted just as a lot of diseases like aids, crabs, etc are sexually transmitted. I assume this spell would be no different.

Also his Grimm powers were just blocked not completely gone. There was a doctor scene in which case she says something is blocking something in his mind.

If memory is still working and that is an if. The Doctor said Nick eyes were affected something about him having more rods and cones. Something like these had swelling around them. So something Elizabeth did in hsr potion reduced this swelling. Now as to why Adalind changed to Juliette was NIck sure wasn't going to drink anything she offered, but sleep with Juliette he would do. To heal his eyes need to do the reverse of Adalind.

Adalind only just Juliette as a way to get the potion into Nick, so fluid transfer was the only way think of this as drinking the potion. IMO

So, js, you agree? No sex, No Hex?

Yes and now add this in season 6 when Nick changed to Sean he also became a half Zauberbiest just like Sean. So Juliette became a hex like Adalind unlike Nick (because we can assume the Grimm thing) didn't stay that way.

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(07-03-2017, 07:45 AM)Robyn Wrote:

(07-03-2017, 06:53 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: It is gross. I don't believe this is what in fact happened. It's a twisted way of looking at how Nick lost his Grimm (through sex) and Juliette became a hexenbiest (through sex). It would have been better if they stuck to the Contaminatio Ritualis way of becoming a hexenbiest but then they couldn't have Juliette going mental on Nick and burning her bridges.

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(07-03-2017, 07:01 AM)dicappatore Wrote: Robyn, after reading your post, it gave me more of an insight how flocked up the script on this plot was <<No Pun Intended>> so screwed up!
In conclusion, the short answer to this thread, “What changed Juliette into a Hexenbiest”?

Answer: SEX.

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Okay, so Nick wouldn’t drink anything Adalind offered. If the spell only required the fluid/potion to be inside Nick, Adalind could have turned into Juliette and offered Nick a drink. It really seems to come down to G & K wanting to incorporate sex scenes, specifically involving Adalind and Juliette, and they used sex-requiring spells as rationale.

The love sick spell required Adalind to have sex with Hank. The de-Grimming spell required Adalind to have sex with Nick while looking like Juliette. The re-Grimming spell required Juliette to have sex with Nick while looking like Adalind. Nick and Monroe even shared a little locker-room talk about Nick having sex with both women as each other. Eve becoming Renard didn’t require sex but led to sex with Rachael. Eve’s inability to complete the translation doesn’t negate that sex occurred.

So, does anyone believe G & K were implying that sex had a deeper meaning, perhaps mystical, in the Grimm/Wesen mythology? Or were they simply creating their male fantasies?

The only out I can give G & K is that because Claire Coffee was pregnant they needed the spell to result in Adalind’s pregnancy. But for me, the reversal spell doesn’t establish the how & why Juliette became a Hexenbiest.

Male fantasies is the most likely

(07-03-2017, 07:49 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: Yes and now add this in season 6 when Nick changed to Sean he also became a half Zauberbiest just like Sean. So Juliette became a hex like Adalind unlike Nick (because we can assume the Grimm thing) didn't stay that way.

(07-03-2017, 08:05 AM)brandon Wrote: Maybe Nick' s fantasy- for Ariel-.
I think Claire C.got pregnant in at the end of season 3- something read- and decided to have Adalind " pregnant".

(07-03-2017, 08:04 AM)Robyn Wrote:

(07-03-2017, 07:49 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: Yes and now add this in season 6 when Nick changed to Sean he also became a half Zauberbiest just like Sean. So Juliette became a hex like Adalind unlike Nick (because we can assume the Grimm thing) didn't stay that way.

Technically, Eve and Rosalee suggested that Nick didn’t come out of the spell because he was a Grimm. So it seems as though Nick being a Grimm trapped him inside the spell-induced Renard state rather than prevented him from becoming a Zauberbiest. Diana basically had the power to knock the transformation out of Nick.

Nick woged during the transformation. Did Juliette while Adalind or Renard?

(07-03-2017, 09:40 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:

(07-03-2017, 08:04 AM)Robyn Wrote:

(07-03-2017, 07:49 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: Yes and now add this in season 6 when Nick changed to Sean he also became a half Zauberbiest just like Sean. So Juliette became a hex like Adalind unlike Nick (because we can assume the Grimm thing) didn't stay that way.

Technically, Eve and Rosalee suggested that Nick didn’t come out of the spell because he was a Grimm. So it seems as though Nick being a Grimm trapped him inside the spell-induced Renard state rather than prevented him from becoming a Zauberbiest. Diana basically had the power to knock the transformation out of Nick.

Nick woged during the transformation. Did Juliette while Adalind or Renard?

No but she never tried. Now a Sean she was a hexen anyway. As Adalind don't think she even thought of or it was in question.